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Dear Jeff and Simeon, thanks for your help in this! I found I had to upgrade from 1.42 to 1.43 first, but then, using the original "slipforward" (not slipforward 2), I got exactly what I intended...gee, what fun! The best thing is if you change 8thspercycle - or make a copy of the loop, and have the script running on both copies, each with different 8thspercycle settings - instant gratification! > actually i got this to work much better if i changed "slipforward 2" > to "slipforward" > > I found some bugs that were causing the "deterministic chaos". > It's complicated but it has > to do with latency compensation and doing functions that change > fundamental > -- http://moinlabs.de Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs