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On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:18 PM, <antonyhequet@yahoo.com> wrote: > taking drugs to produce extatic states is the cheap path for a shaman. > Antony Really? But isn't 'drugs' kind of a useless term in this context? Useless in that it doesn't really convey enough information to begin to address the magnitude of topic (which is now far afield from looping for most). Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos