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I forgot to mention that I have experienced usable octave down-pitch with the TC Eltrx FireworX too. I used it mostly for guitar with that patch and as all octaviders you have to be careful when playing a polyphonic instrument to not send chords though the line, or they make the pitch rider wobble like a hippo. Today I have more or less stopped using patches that add a lower octave. Instead I rely on looping for adding the low end (anything you add to a loop pitched up one octave will loop back one octave low as the loop is set to normal pitch). I find it more fun to fill up the low end by using the looper as the instrument. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se www.perboysen.com www.looproom.com internet music hub