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WAIT! I just remembered! There is a lap steel sample on www.asherguitars.com by Steiner Gregertsen, "Heaven Only Knows" (Beach Boy's song) that sounds tremendous. I wrote him and asked what amp he used and it was one of the Line amp modelers. It was just a modeling of a black face Fender. So it COULD be that if you don't use a ton of effects, if you don't push these boxes too hard, overwhelm the buss with tons of stuff, they sound good. I don't know. Never owned a multi effects gizmo other than the old Ibanex UE400 and the Ensoniq DP/4. Wise men say, "Never say never"! Now I'm eating my own crow! Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:41 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: > Yes man the Ethos is the best preamp ive tried so far going directly > into the board! > even better i run it through a little compact 60 watt AER acoustic > guitar amp and then into the board man with my gretsch through those > what a sound! > and portable enough to take in the train,plus your back spine will > smile again,thats why my 50 watt koch sits in my room ever since! > i m with Bill,i think im done with the multi fx proccessors thing,is a > bit tiresome having to travel through menus to tweak simple and > essential things like EQs in patches, > i ve had multi fx proccesors for years,my first one the korg A3 and > then the the Roland GP100 which i kept ofr a long long time,the i > finally updated to a GT 10 > but recently i realized that it had been collecting dust and ive gone > back to basics,one tone and fx,perhaps the fact that ive been playing > acoustic guitar for a few years now has made me strip down. > So i ended up selling my GT10 and right now im happy with a basic > setup, the ethos preamp and the M9. > On the software side i have to say though that im impressed with > guitar rig,though ive always been hardware i actually like the guitar > tones better than all of those hardware mulit fx proccessors, > If i run it through the rme 400 and then directly into the board and > setup the buffer size correctly i get no dramatic latency issues and > it makes a great guitar amp emulator and proccessor, > though ive still yet to try it live! > Luis > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:55 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> > wrote: >> As a fellow tone snob I feel your pain, I'm still stuck in hardware >> mode >> and I'm able to do what you want with out involving a computer, but >> there >> are few hardware choices available that can do multiple loops and mine, >> the >> LP-1 is currently out of production and the roland rc 50 has been >> discontinued. When the time comes for me to move to software I will >> still >> continue to use a small hardware front end and smaller floor looper as >> both >> a safety net and also because I still prefer analog, even solid state >> over >> modeling for guitar tones. To wit, my Custom Tones Ethos preamp >> offers a >> scant two channels of guitar tone, essentially a clean and a dirty >> channel >> with an extra boost on the dirty channel, but it has an excellent >> speaker >> emulator output, so I can get great guitar tones even if I have to run >> direct. Its like a dumble amp in a box, and I'm fortunate enough to have >> played a few in my time. Effects are another matter as i can really see >> putting a lap top to good use with both pre and post effects. Right now >> I >> tend to have my effects pre loop when playing live and honestly I like >> the >> fact that my ethos and M-9 and timefactor and other effects are easy to >> change on the fly, the frustration I have found with all in one >> modeling/effects amps is how clumsy they have tended to be when needing >> to >> change eq and parameter settings on the fly. To much bass for the room? >> what >> are you going to do, tweak every preset you have created each time you >> move >> to a new one? i think the new modeling amp choices are much better than >> when I was using them , and they have addressed a number of these >> issues, >> but they still feel and sound a bit flat to my ears. Plus I'm a bit >> tired of >> endless menus, and LCD screens. Time spent editing effects parameters >> and >> learning new platforms is time not making music, and currently I'm more >> interested in making music with the tools I have, which as of yet have >> not >> proved limiting. So if I was making the leap, I think i'd keep as much >> analog front end as possible, but keep it simple, and use a combo of >> Abelton >> and Mobius, becaues cool people in the know said so, and because Jeff >> Larson has a dog almost as cute as mine , and what ever cool plugs I >> could >> get my hands on, I would start to integrate...slowly. I'd start with >> some >> Expert Sleepers stuff, because Os makes cool plugins, and I'd become >> an >> absolute pest to many of you on this list. >> Bill >> >> > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com >