Re: Creating Space

[David Messenger <mssngr1@pacifier.com>]

Yah, for that reason I will always sequence any guitar parts I'm not playing live. Most guitarists have no concept of getting your sound at the rack so you can control your dynamics with volume pedals and get crushing tones at low volume. I use the Roland GP-8 (and various pedals) for overdrive & distortion & other tones and do not rely on pushing power tubes to their limit to get "sag"...(I'm so sick of hearing about "sag")...  I seldom ever play without compression at the front of the processor chain just for that reason...why not get sustain from tha actual device which inherently provides it rather than turn your amp up all the way so you stick out of everything uncontrollably, and never have enough sustain?

"sag"...phock.


D. 

On 1/11/2012 1:38 PM, bill bigrig wrote:

Another thing I have to do on  a regular basis, is reach over to the amp of the guitarist I work with a lot, and turn it off. Not only does he specialize in 64th notes, he always asks which slider on the board is his guitar, and, as soon as I'm not looking, he reaches over and pushes it ALL the way to the top. At live shows, he comes with his 2 100 watt stacks for a 60 seat venue, and with 3,000 to 4,000 watts out the mains, you still can't hear the PA. I'm not slamming guitarists, heck I play one myself. There's just a small percentage out there that are not functional unless thier volume is high enough to completely envelope them, (along with everyone else on stage).
\rig

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From: Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Cc: David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Creating Space

What a great recollection, Daniel!

At 12:37 -0800 11/1/12, Daniel Thomas wrote:
> Another observation comes to mind.  When I was really young, maybe 13 or 14, I asked my guitar teacher to teach me to play fusion.  I cited Mahavishnu Orchestra, Meeting of Spirits.  He laughed and said... "I can't teach you that stuff man-- its got no space in it. But I can teach you how to play this great new Steely Dan album!"
> He gave me a copy of the just released Aja  / Peg on cassette and sent me home with the following  "anti-rhythm" assignment
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> To listen to the rhodes part and learn to play its 'anti-rhythm' -- the negative space between the notes -- with my hand on my leg.  No instrument in my lap.  At the time, I remember thinking-- maybe this guy doesn't even know how to play the guitar!.. he is teaching me a part that piano player never did play on a song I did not ask to learn.. wtf??
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> Despite my adolescent doubts, the assignment totally blew my mind. It was very hard to do and  30 something years later the experience stills influencing my musical choices.  I learned Peg that summer by first learning the anti-rhythm of each and every part.  By way of this discipline, he taught me to listen for the space between the notes-- the substance of musical phrasing.  And he turned me onto one of the greatest bands ever.   
> God I loved that guy. His name, I cannot remember now... maybe it was James.  I remember that he played in a phenomenal Tulsa band called the Flying Horse Opera w/ the amazing Randy Crouch.
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>>  When improvising, I find that I create space more effectively if I focus primarily on the tapping of the foot- giving a great deal of cognitive priority to the pulse.  A singluar and humbling focus.
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>>  When so doing, musical  phrases seem to come from beyond..  The part of me that needs to prove something is firmly bridled to the job of keeping a steady pulse in my body no matter what syncopations the hands and voice may produce.  What remains is a more sparse, better phrased and more conversational musician... the groove is better integrated into the improvised phrases.  And the listener is drawn more deeply into the music by the space between the notes.  At least, thats what I shoot for.
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>>  Daniel
>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 9:15 AM, David Gans wrote:
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>>>  On Jan 11, 2012, at 4:52 AM, andy butler wrote:
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>>>>>  What do the members of this esteemed group do to help give silence her due?
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>>>>  Put as much effort into the end of each note as into it's beginning.
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>>>  Well said.  Learning when NOT to play has been a long-term undertaking for me.
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>>>  David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
>>>  Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
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