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Ricky, Per - All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG are heard and everything behaves wonderfully. Very best, Phil :) On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. > > Glad the set works. > > R > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger > <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. >> >> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And >> I >> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the >> real >> work with incoming MIDI from the LG. >> >> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstract >> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and >> panel-bound. >> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have >> not >> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing* >> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts, >> the >> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the >> manual >> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in >> the >> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in >> any >> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was >> not >> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife >> keeps >> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just >> 'pick up >> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) >> >> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, >> rather >> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still >> not >> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! >> >> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in >> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs >> in >> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. >> Your >> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe you >> should write their manuals :) >> >> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also >> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we >> ever >> do before the interweb? >> >> Phil :D >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham >> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Sent >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send >>>> on the ableton set to both of you. >>>> >>>> r >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> And Per, regarding this: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and >>>>>> feed it >>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you >>>>>> clarify? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in >>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the >>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will >>>>> be >>>>> explained in that box) >>>>> >>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin >>>>> hosted >>>>> in Ableton Live. >>>>> >>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for >>>>> this >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's >>>>> mixer >>>>> into the Plugin. >>>>> >>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" >>>>> tab. >>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a >>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there >>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and >>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to >>>>> pass >>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there >>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky >>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your >>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that >>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical >>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) >>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output >>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >>>>> >>>>> Happy looping! >>>>> >>>>> Per >>>>> >>> >> >