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Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller


It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to get 
the commands from there to the plugin.

Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in the 
clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - it's 
an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" section, 
it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop (which is 
placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, make it so.

So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open 
Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that Echoloop 
is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first track sends the 

Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands from 
my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed to set up 
the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this needs to be 
the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup and the track 
settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then stuff started 
happening :)

Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that Note On 
and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job.

I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with the 
Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin is set 
for 'HOST" sync but  loops still seem to be all over the place. WIll get 
it figured out eventually :)

Hope that helps Christopher.

Phil :)

On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote:

> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, 
> what'd you do that has it working perfectly now?
> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make more 
> time for music next week and would like to check it out. 
> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy)
> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>> Ricky, Per - 
>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG 
>> are heard and everything behaves wonderfully.
>> Very best,
>> Phil :)
>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:
>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice.
>>> Glad the set works.
>>> R
>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky.
>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. 
>>>> And I
>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do 
>>>> the real
>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG.
>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the 
>>>> abstract
>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and 
>>>> panel-bound.
>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have 
>>>> not
>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a 
>>>> *routing*
>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment 
>>>> texts, the
>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the 
>>>> manual
>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work 
>>>> in the
>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in 
>>>> any
>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. 
>>>> Was not
>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife 
>>>> keeps
>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just 
>>>> 'pick up
>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol )
>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, 
>>>> rather
>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and 
>>>> still not
>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution !
>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in
>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote 
>>>> prefs in
>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. 
>>>> Your
>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D  Maybe 
>>>> you
>>>> should write their manuals :)
>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also
>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we 
>>>> ever
>>>> do before the interweb?
>>>> Phil :D
>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham 
>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Sent
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham
>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will 
>>>>>> send
>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you.
>>>>>> r
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this:
>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and
>>>>>>>> feed it
>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. "
>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you 
>>>>>>>> clarify?
>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in
>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the
>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the
>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over 
>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>> explained in that box)
>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin 
>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>> in Ableton Live.
>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port.
>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's 
>>>>>>> mixer
>>>>>>> into the Plugin.
>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI
>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" 
>>>>>>> tab.
>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" 
>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you
>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to 
>>>>>>> pass
>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there
>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI
>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it 
>>>>>>> tricky
>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get 
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the 
>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot 
>>>>>>> addressing)
>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's 
>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs.
>>>>>>> Happy looping!
>>>>>>> Per