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"...playing together trumps playing accurately."
RICK--THAT is what I'm talking about --have been for years! Feel each other's groove and be there! I've only been in this state of bliss with a few players in my whole life! I'll be using that _expression_ this weekend at band practice!
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 03:27:50 -0800 > From: looppool@cruzio.com > To: perboysen@gmail.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs > > On 2/5/2013 4:48 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > Here it is also interesting to analyze "The Rolling Stones > > Phenomenon"; several ensemble members stretching the timing into > > different directions but still not falling out of the groove. No > > randomization algorithm can fake that:-) > I once heard someone mention an interview with the Stone's drummer, > Charlie Watts. > > He said that the leader of the Stones rhythm section (unlike most other > rock and roll rhythm sections who are > led by either drummers or bassists) was Keith Richards, the rhythm > guitarist. > > He said that Bill Wyman, the bassist, listened entirely to Richards to > get 'the groove' and 'the timing'. > Watts, himself, only listened to Wyman..................so you had this > unusual human 'latency' train of a rhythm > section. > > they are loose as hell but they are never playing 'wrong'. They just > follow each other with a train effect. > > Fascinating because I've never heard any cover band pull off their sound > accurately (unlike, say, the Beatles, > Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails or other cover bands). > > Their rhythmic 'stew' just fascinates me. Once could easily write a > P.H.D dissertation on it's analysis and the world > would be the better for it. > > /R. > > ps parenthetically, Richards who was a constant junkie and drug > addict, would occasionally just drop a beat, > making an inadvertent 7/8 bar out of a bar of 8ths notes in 4/4. > Wyman and Watts trained themselves to just 'hiccup' to catch up to > Richards, knowing that he'd never > make it back to the original time after his mistake. > > I once played with a brilliant rhythm guitarist who would very > occasionally, just drop an 8th note in a rock groove. > The fantastic bassist in that band and I finally realized that when he > would do this, that 1) he didn't know he'd done > it and 2) even if he did, he couldn't get back to the original groove > know matter how hard he tries. > > We trained ourselves to just 'hiccup' quickly and drop a beat so that > we'd always be together, despite the rhythmic mistake. > > This was the first time in my life where I realized that playing > together always trumped playing accurately. > It really helped me in dozens of later singer/songwriter record > production sessions when talented singer/songwriters who > were NOT accomplished musicians would come in and make rhythmic mistakes > in the recording studios that were, nonetheless, > musical as long as the drummer and bassist 'caught' them and played > together. > > /R. > |