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Being a relative newbie.... I think Amy is spot on when she says "If written thoughtfully..." It's all about the arrangement. You don't have to build it the same way every time. I try and break things into simple elements, essential elements, and complex elements. These are almost always coincident with time. And there is tech is to help defeat layers. Harmonizers can flush out your melody and harmony in one pass. I built a stomp box so I can lay and bass line (and/or melody) and a "kick-drum" at the same time. Sometimes I start with bass and build up. Sometimes I start with the melody. Sometimes I start with the rhythm. Sometimes I'll put some horn punches in early. Sometimes I'll add them later. Sometimes I'll add new sections. All of these are just techniques to add interest and variation to the presentation. But if you're doing ambient stuff I don't think any of that matters. :) Noah On Thu, December 5, 2013 6:03 pm, Amy X Neuburg wrote: > This is an interesting question that I consider often, especially when > creating pure audio versions of my looped music (for listening as > opposed to live performance). > > The most basic answer is: without any sort of "cheating" there is no > way to minimize the ramp-up, and for me this is, indeed, sort of the > point. The process of live looping is, one hopes, interesting in itself > for the audience to watch, as it makes them feel they are in on the > creative process. So in general they are "with" you as you do this, but > that said, I feel it's really important to use this buildup time in a > musical way as part of the composition itself. If written thoughtfully, > the initial buildup time can be really compelling compositionally, > keeping the audience wondering what's going to happen next. So my best > advice is to think carefully about each individual layer to make sure it > is in itself musical. > > You can also cheat, if you use a program such as Mobius that allows you > to load pre-recorded "Projects." I have a couple of songs that use this > technique, allowing each track to enter organically by unmuting it, but > not having to spend the time actually recoding it. The two problems with > this method are: your own ethics around how much material you're > comfortable pre-recording (I figure since I am triggering the entrances > in a visible way there is still a "live" element to this), and as far as > I can tell in Mobius you have to manually futz with your computer on > stage in order to load a Project. This breaks my rule of never touching > my computer. > > In putting out my songs on CD I occasionally shorten the lead-in time > if I feel that without the visual the layering is not in itself > compelling, but if you've really given each layer musical deliberation, > as I suggest above, this shouldn't even be necessary. > > My way too many cents. > xx > > On 12/05/2013 3:28 pm, Rusty Perez wrote: >> Hi Andy and others, >> I've been looping for a while, song bassed looping to back my singing >> and create a fuller sound, but I find myself sortof waiting to realy >> kick in until I've built up a couple of layers. >> >> Could you please elaborate on ways you've found to minimize this >> "rampup" time? >> >> Thanks so much! >> Rusty >> >> >> >> On 12/5/13, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 05/12/2013 15:12, Mike Fugazzi wrote: >>> >>>> Basically, I want to do some more complex arrangements via >>>> some stored loops so it doesn't take a minute to get into a full >>>> song. >>> >>> You really don't need stored loops to achieve that. >>> >>> A large proportion of the artists on this list solved this problem >>> in a whole load of different ways. >>> >>> There doesn't need to be that "just wait till I set up my backing" >>> time. >>> >>> Andy >>> >>> > > -- > Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï? > Amy X Neuburg > http://www.amyxneuburg.com > Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï?Ï? > > Peterson Entertainment, Llc 999 East Basse Road #180-117 San Antonio, TX 78209 503-703-9516 -- www.noahpeterson.com www.petersonentertainment.com