Re: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup

["Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch>]

Kim was a litle faster :=)



> Thank you all for your input on this subject!
>
> Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad depressing ... The FCB1010
> can't
> pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup acoustically during SysEx
> processing (their admission/apology, in the manual).

with such a small message you wont hear it and any way you wont be recordin
while sending this "setup" message

> There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or MIDI channels and
> sending
> two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when working in stereo) would
> be
> compromised. I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort into the
> stereo
> synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi piping and all that.

OH ! yes I exchanged more than 1000 mails with Matthias and Kim ......

> Simply
> sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo synch in comparison
> with
> brother sync.

the seperate source same channel is possible with some restrictions
one EDP is 49 midi adressable params, 16 loops direct access makes 65 and 
there  is
only 127 midi messages possible....
if you dont use 16 loops per EDP its possible

the degradation might be minimal as the first edp has to read whats coming
in anyways before piping it. The only thing that would change is that you 
cannot use the running status midi messages compression scheme: one more 
midi byte here and there, nothing to worry.
>

 And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not up to the task. Hmmm.
Been
> using it for a year to control two Plexes and a PCM81. Reprogrammed it
> several
> times and used it live dozens of times over the last year.

find youself a used Peavey table top pc1600x and you'll do All you cannot 
do 
with the
FCB and much more. dj style EDP tweakin/triggering which no tapping foot 
can 
handle :=))

> In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the panel buttons' thing to
> split
> the two channels so they played two different parts of an ostinato and
> then
> reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic effect, crappy psychological
> effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a beat, but going over to
> the
> panel was disorienting and took me way out of the music for like 30
> seconds.

rehersal is the key

> Now I see that the FCB1010 cannot send multiple notes on a single tap.
> Dandy.
>
>> PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was weird- there was about a 
>100ms
> delay
>> from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP changed its state.

this is NOT a functionning PMC10. I swear it
PMC is the midi pedal board ROLLS-ROYCE


> Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying.
>
> - Clint Goss
>
> Email: clint@goss.com
> Web:   www.goss.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:00 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup
>
> At 02:53 PM 6/17/2006, hazard factor wrote:
>>  This is true, although with the hacked firmware, it has allowed for
>>some improvement. There apparently isn't enough memory for different
>>channels per preset, or releasepedal messages, although for probably a
>>few pennies more they could have maybe used a little bit more memory.
>
> if people are going to the trouble of hacking the firmware, why not 
>change
> out
> the memory also and increase the memory size? Seems like it would be a
> pretty
> simple hardware mod, unless the problem is the cpu address range is
> already
> filled up.
>
>
>>So, for midi controllers, this leaves us with the PMC-10 and maybe the
>>Rocktron All Access, although the Access is about the same price as an
>>EDP...
>
> yes, if you are only thinking of midi footpedal controllers. But there 
>are
> plenty of other types of controllers. Keyboard controllers, drum
> controllers,
> sampler/drum machine boxes, table top studio fader boxes, etc.
> Many options, unless you are a guitarist who wears big boots and doesn't
> have a
> hand free.
>
>>I will say- I used the PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was
>>weird- there was about a 100ms delay from when I pressed the pedal to
>>when the EDP changed its state.
>
> Are you talking about the Yamaha MFC-10 midi pedal? That has a known
> latency
> problem like you describe. But the old digitech PMC-10 definitely does 
>not
> have
> any latency issue. After all, Andre LaFosse uses the Digitech PMC-10 for
> all his
> supa-fast pedal pushing. No way he could do that without a responsive
> pedal.
>
>>I just use the EDP controller for the EDP, and the FCB1010 for
>>everything
>>else- they work pretty well together.
>
> That is another good approach to this. You can use midi control and the
> Echoplex
> pedal together just fine. So you could have the FCB1010 set up to control
> the
> two Echoplexes together in stereo, and then have the pedal plugged into
> the
> slave Echoplex to control it independently. You could probably even come
> up with
> some sort of "midi switch" that disconnects the midi connection between
> them. So
> with the midi connected, the FCB controls them both in stereo, and the
> pedal can
> independently address the slave. If you disconnect the midi with the midi
> switch, the FCB could them be used to control the master EDP
> independently. You
> could switch between the options with a relatively simple solution.
>
> kim
>
>
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