Re: Tuning guitar in fifths for wider orchestration options

[Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>]

Yes! And "linearity" should not just be developed for what you are
playing "at this moment" but also for the wider time span within which
you are doing your playing - a composition based view on
improvisation. To keep on talking with Abercrombie, this equals what
he says they did with those early ECM recordings: "We just improvised
everything on the spot but took care to make it sound as if it was all
composed". I think that's a great concept for playing a looper, no
matter what source instrument you feed it.

Abercrombie said that at Jazon Cranes podcast interview. For those who
still not subscribe, here's the direct link to this particular
episode:
http://thejazzsession.com/2007/03/12/show-3-john-abercrombie/

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se
www.perboysen.com



On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com> wrote:
> Absolutely.
>
> What really helps is that aproach. I've learned it a few years ago from a
> video with John Abercrombie.
>
> It helps developing a sense of "linearity".
>
> On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>
>> Marc,
>>
>> I think the guys that experiment with different tunings don't really
>> "think" the music as "an instrument". We rather think the the music as
>> the notes; I mean, according to a key, a scale (not "guitar neck"
>> scale but the real sounding scale, the vibreations) and a tonal
>> center. If you think music like that, all you have to do is to find
>> out "where on this new instrument are the octave, the fifth" etc etc.
>> Soon you're off playing your usual stuff with the new instrument's
>> special touch options.
>>
>> To learn an instrument as "I put my finger down here to get this note"
>> is a mistake IMHO and I'm amazed that music schools still do that to
>> kids. You should learn instrument by first learning a melody of let's
>> say three notes. Then you find out how to play that melody on the
>> instrument.
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se
>> www.perboysen.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM, mark francombe 
><mark@markfrancombe.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been watching this tread with grrat interest, I think its amazing
>>> how
>>> so many of you have experimented with tunings, and have of course tried
>>> some
>>> things myself on spare guitars, for effects. (Like for example the
>>> tunings
>>> that Rick mentioned, about tuning the whole guitar to one note for 
>groovy
>>> droning noise stuff etc).
>>>
>>> What really amazes me however is... do you guys reall RE-learn all your
>>> scales and chords for all these different tunings?  I mean, if you tune
>>> to
>>> this 5ths approach... how do you play a chord!!! Its taken me 33 years
>>> (since I first got a guitar) to learn a few girl guide chords, and a
>>> couple
>>> of bar chords.... one (ok two) scales, that I can slide up and down...
>>> but
>>> the thing that has stopped me REALLY getting into tuning is this... Do 
>I
>>> really have to forget what I ever knew... and dedicate my life to a new
>>> tuning????
>>>
>>> I myself have been using baritone guitar for 10 years, with a A based
>>> tuning, this gives me the LOWS I need for bass parts, and I use a lot 
>of
>>> pitch shifting, and can go high enough... but this is still standard
>>> tuning
>>> basically, just tined down a bit...
>>>
>>> Have to try out this 5ths thing
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Charles Zwicky 
><cazwicky@earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone here on the list having tried tuning a guitar in fifths for
>>>>>> wider orchestration options? Or even wider intervals? Would make 
>sense
>>>>>> when looping to get lower bass and higher highs. I guess you have to
>>>>>> pick a custom string set for this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per Boysen
>>>>>> www.boysen.se
>>>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have been tuning in straight fifths for  the past 15 years or so....
>>>>
>>>> http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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