Re: Tuning guitar in fifths for wider orchestration options

[Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com>]

Thanks for the link Per!

On Feb 26, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Yes! And "linearity" should not just be developed for what you are
> playing "at this moment" but also for the wider time span within which
> you are doing your playing - a composition based view on
> improvisation. To keep on talking with Abercrombie, this equals what
> he says they did with those early ECM recordings: "We just improvised
> everything on the spot but took care to make it sound as if it was all
> composed". I think that's a great concept for playing a looper, no
> matter what source instrument you feed it.
>
> Abercrombie said that at Jazon Cranes podcast interview. For those who
> still not subscribe, here's the direct link to this particular
> episode:
> http://thejazzsession.com/2007/03/12/show-3-john-abercrombie/
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.boysen.se
> www.perboysen.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Ariel Rzezak <arzezak@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> What really helps is that aproach. I've learned it a few years ago  
>> from a
>> video with John Abercrombie.
>>
>> It helps developing a sense of "linearity".
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>
>>> Marc,
>>>
>>> I think the guys that experiment with different tunings don't really
>>> "think" the music as "an instrument". We rather think the the  
>>> music as
>>> the notes; I mean, according to a key, a scale (not "guitar neck"
>>> scale but the real sounding scale, the vibreations) and a tonal
>>> center. If you think music like that, all you have to do is to find
>>> out "where on this new instrument are the octave, the fifth" etc  
>>> etc.
>>> Soon you're off playing your usual stuff with the new instrument's
>>> special touch options.
>>>
>>> To learn an instrument as "I put my finger down here to get this  
>>> note"
>>> is a mistake IMHO and I'm amazed that music schools still do that to
>>> kids. You should learn instrument by first learning a melody of  
>>> let's
>>> say three notes. Then you find out how to play that melody on the
>>> instrument.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.boysen.se
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:44 AM, mark francombe 
><mark@markfrancombe.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've been watching this tread with grrat interest, I think its  
>>>> amazing
>>>> how
>>>> so many of you have experimented with tunings, and have of course  
>>>> tried
>>>> some
>>>> things myself on spare guitars, for effects. (Like for example the
>>>> tunings
>>>> that Rick mentioned, about tuning the whole guitar to one note  
>>>> for groovy
>>>> droning noise stuff etc).
>>>>
>>>> What really amazes me however is... do you guys reall RE-learn  
>>>> all your
>>>> scales and chords for all these different tunings?  I mean, if  
>>>> you tune
>>>> to
>>>> this 5ths approach... how do you play a chord!!! Its taken me 33  
>>>> years
>>>> (since I first got a guitar) to learn a few girl guide chords,  
>>>> and a
>>>> couple
>>>> of bar chords.... one (ok two) scales, that I can slide up and  
>>>> down...
>>>> but
>>>> the thing that has stopped me REALLY getting into tuning is  
>>>> this... Do I
>>>> really have to forget what I ever knew... and dedicate my life to  
>>>> a new
>>>> tuning????
>>>>
>>>> I myself have been using baritone guitar for 10 years, with a A  
>>>> based
>>>> tuning, this gives me the LOWS I need for bass parts, and I use a  
>>>> lot of
>>>> pitch shifting, and can go high enough... but this is still  
>>>> standard
>>>> tuning
>>>> basically, just tined down a bit...
>>>>
>>>> Have to try out this 5ths thing
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:14 AM, Charles Zwicky 
><cazwicky@earthlink.net 
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone here on the list having tried tuning a guitar in fifths  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> wider orchestration options? Or even wider intervals? Would  
>>>>>>> make sense
>>>>>>> when looping to get lower bass and higher highs. I guess you  
>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>> pick a custom string set for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Per Boysen
>>>>>>> www.boysen.se
>>>>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been tuning in straight fifths for  the past 15 years or  
>>>>> so....
>>>>>
>>>>> http://jpsongs.com/troubadortech/zwickrig.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ...
>>>>> http://www.zmix.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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