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At 10:38 AM -0500 3/8/98, R & T Cummings wrote: >matthew hahn wrote: >>I have to agree on the subject of DJing. I am not knocking it, but in >>deference to looping I'm willing to submit that DJing is more emotional >>than technical, more creation of moods from other people's music, than >>creating one's own.< > >I think the hybrid form of DJ-sampler-musician is really happening, too. I agree. There have been rock groups around the SF bay area doing this since the 80's, and of course hip-hop groups have always had dj's as much more than just a guy playing records. You see it in a lot more mainstream acts now, portishead, for example. The germs of the full-on real-time looping idea are certainly there in the mainstream, just waiting for people to take it to another level. >I'm not a DJ-DJ, so I haven't had a chance to try out cd-scratching either >- although I have seen the units around a lot. Anybody else? What looked >interesting was a delay-based table-top looping unit from Vestax for DJ's >- >I bet you could create great transitions with that machine. Don't know >anything about the sound quality though ... Pioneer makes good cd decks. The have a cool scrubber sort of knob that lets you speed up and slow down tracks in a real intuitive way for beat matching. And they also have a built in loop function. It's very rudimetary, it just lets you loop a section of a cd in a nice, quick fashion, and that's all. You couldn't do much creatively with that, but it's there. I know a guy using these to dj trip-hop and drum and bass and seems to like it. Only problem is there's not a lot of material out on cd, certainly nothing new. Probably you would want to burn your own cd's off vinyl or dubplate. Denon also makes CD products, including a "scratch" thing. It samples some amount of audio off the cd on the fly, which you can loop and trigger. You can also scratch it with this big knob on the front. I guess it works, but I'm no expert on the subject. I suppose scratching for dj's is like tube amps for guitarists. Most people only like the real thing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com