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Mark, I won't say you are mistaken about things you have direct experience with--perhaps some retail outlets are given preferential deals by the suppliers. I don't know. What I *do* know is that I have been told by other folks who've worked in retail music stores that they only pay about 50% to 60% of list for things. That would leave a lot of room for dealing. And, if you really look around, you can sometimes find deals that indicate the markups must be substantial. For example, the Roland GR-30 lists for $895 (without the GK-2A pickup). zZounds and Synthony are selling this for $599 and $600, respectively. Even deeper discounts can be found on the GK-2A, though I don't have the figures anymore because I'm not looking for one now. But do the math. Now, you could argue that these stores are maybe just employing a "loss-leader" tactic to get more of your business, but I think that would be kind of absurd. Just because a store gives me a good deal on one item, I'm not going to turn around and buy something else from them for hundreds more than I can get it someplace else. You could also argue that these stores are just closing out items they haven't been able to sell. Sometimes that's true, and then you can get an exceptional deal. But, I don't think the market for GR-30's has dried up yet. As for supporting my local music store...well I have two answers for that: (1) Musician's Friend is my local music store. One of 'em anyway. And I can get a good deal there. But usually I have to first find a good price somewhere else, then they'll match it. That works for me, and they don't complain either. (2) The other music stores around my town either (a) aren't dealers for the gear I'm looking for, (b) don't know anything about what I'm looking for, (c) have ripped me off in the past, (d) have treated me with disrespect, or (e) knowingly sell stolen property. When at all possible, I prefer to do business with capable, smart, polite, interested and honest people. If that is not possible, I look out for numero uno. Period. This is not to say that the Musician's Friend folks aren't capable, smart, etc. Actually, most of them seem to be. Anyway, that's the end of this rant. Later, Peter