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Well, I always thought of the machines that Tangerine Dream used as computers. There were a lot of synched-up arpeggiators and stuff. It was before the phenomenon of "click and drag" composing, but I think that they were using the computers available at the time.Not that I know a lot about Tangerine Dream--I don't. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Another example of electronic music without computers is the early tape collage-ists, or composers of "musique concrete" like Stockhausen. I agree with you on the overuse of computers in the live format. I've been to enough shows of just a guy on stage in front of a laptop clicking a mouse, you know, where the guy composed all of his tracks at home and just switches them on and off on stage. I don't get any entertainment from that. Don't get me wrong, I'm really impressed with a lot musicians using computers to make recorded music, especially because they give the musicians the chance to add tracks when they're inspired, not just when their studio time is scheduled. When I pay $10 to go to a show, I want to see a creative act, not just folks playing all of the songs saved on thier hard drives. matt On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 M3chakucha@aol.com wrote: > Dear All, > > Hate to say it, but music has been around quite a bit longer than >the > computer, yes, even for electronic music; take Tangerine Dream for an >example > of this... The computer is just another tool, just like an Echoplex, or >like > a phase pedal is for me. Sometimes it's a good thing to use, and other >times > it can be just too much. IMHO it is a matter of moderation, that's all. > > I've seen (one-man) bands play, wherein the computers in >sequencers and > Loopers were necessary, and I've seen a few shows where the band was >just WAY > too dependent upon the effects, and when they ran into troubles, it was >the > end of the show. Other times, I've seen the performers just do a >stripped > down gig, or even go fairly acoustic. > My own personal experience with the Luck of Technology staying >with me during > a gig has been incredible to say the least. Have only had a few gigs >wherein > the synthesizer rig or the electricity went out on me; kept some acoustic > instruments around for just such an event. > > On the same token, there are times wherein the bands are going for >as much > glitz as possible, or in other cases need the computers there for them, >'cos > of what they're playing. Watching a few Techno bands, whose main >sequencer > went south on 'em wasn't funny, especially when it happened in the very > beginning of the show. That's it, $15.00 down the tubes... On the same > token, I thought that Andy Summers and Joe Satriani did great jobs when >they > had to play without much processing at all. > > As to having a computer replacing players; well, I'm not one to >talk on that > note, but it just really won't happen in this century, nor probably any >time > soon. The computer can duplicate only what it is given for the music, >but as > to playing a solo back, or covering for a missed beat, or going on a >musical > tangent... Not just yet. The whole point of music is communication and > expression. Let me get back to my POS S.u.S.E. 5.3 with the messy lilo >and > then onto some tune making. > > Have fun, and thanks for the people to talk to on getting the >manual for the > TSR24s. It's only $5.00 from Harmony Central, so it is only a matter of >me > sending the funds via snailmail. > > Tchus. > > Lee-ohki. > >