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Ok, I'm jumping into this conversation with both feet, and hoping I don't land on my face 'cuz both are in my mouth. I have a Kyma system and I've been planning on making rhythm recognizers and such with it. It has alot of sound analysis tools, expandability, and real-time processing power. I 'd like to create an "adaptive looper". Feed it samples and it mutates them according to some plan. The plan may be extracted from the sound, of course. So I'm quite interested in what you're doing. I don't speak MAX so can you translate to more general terms? I plan on getting MAX when the PC version becomes available (June, I understand) but until then I ask your indulgence. BTW: I'm not familiar with "The Computer Music Tutorial". The info on amazon.com is quite intriguing. Comments? Dennis Leas ----------------------------- dennis@mdbs.com