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Re: sp808, VP9000, and system design



Title: sp808, VP9000, and system design
 
to be honest, i don't know a lot about the vp9k. sounds interesting. i agree with you that manufactures
should stop aiming at specific markets, but on the other hand that is the thing which justifies their
r&d, etc.. surely the "groove boxes" suck, because they give the sounds which are trendy now, but in 2
years nobody will like them. the person who is behind the machines and uses them is important.
some ppl use a sampler to make good rip-offs, some ppl to brake musical limits. a good example
why the person is important is the classic tb303. when roland launched it, it was meant for
one man bands. it should emulate or stand in the place of a bass player (tb - transistor bass).
i never heard a pop band which uses the 303 as a bass emulator.
 
gregor
 
 
on the sp-808: I didn't get to know it, but was turned away by the high price when considering it's only 4 part multitimbral.  At my admittedly superficial glance, it looked decent for live improv, with its sliders and d-beam, but maybe that's just what THEY want me to think.
   How bout the VP9000, Roland's new phrase sampler/time-pitch-groove-formant shifter?  Super-pricey, but perhaps kind of unique and novel.  Aren't we all sick of the current mainstream designs with the heavy emphasis on specialized application for timely, trendy styles of music.  I like dance music and so on a LOT, but love open-endedness and cultural innovation much more.  It was these kinds of flexible designs that gave rise to the interesting shift towards electronic-experimental-cerebral-yet-physical music culture.  But the companies seem to want to let marketing decide on design, like so much of our culture, and they really are selling out the future in favor of the present.  I'm excited about my Nord Modular on its way, for these reasons.
   People also seem to criticize the all-purposeness of things like the Triton or JV-2080, and so forth, but the expense of the VP-9000 makes me wish it were more generally useful.