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folks, anyone familiar w/ software development can tell you that a product as complex as an EDP/Boomerang/Repeater which is only now in alpha/beta could easily take... well, i won't even hazard a time frame. i bet Kim, Matthias, Mike & the other folks who have already gone through this got a chuckle at the reported remark of the rep at NAMM that it was more complex than they'd ever imagined: duh! if the report that only 2 tracks & one loop were just barely functioning at NAMM is acurate, then it could be a long time before the firmware is solid. usually there is a good chunck of time *after* software is feature complete before you get all the bugs worked out. bottom line for me is that *no one knows* yet how long it will take before Repeater will be solid enough to ship. in any case, it is kind of absurd to expect Damon, or any product rep, to divulge the internal guestimates of when a product will ship. just look what's happened to Damon (& Kim & co in the past) already because he volunteered the Jan/Feb timeline: now he's getting crap because that wasn't realistic. bet he won't do that again. Repeater will ship when (& if) it ships, period. i've got an album project scheduled for march. Repeater's reported feature set would be way cool for that, but if march gets here and Repeater doesn't i'll use what i've got (& maybe try to get a 2nd EDP if my stereo jones is strong enough). that's just the way it is, imnsho. hey, if you want to get really upset, just imagine what Gibson's response will be when Repeater is finally out: remember Kim's slip way back that Gibson would be selling EDPs quite a bit cheaper than Oberheim. never happened, but my guess is that the cost to produce EDPs once the Trace Elliot folks get into full production is pretty minimal, and the only way for them to compete w/ Repeater will be to sell EDPs at about half what Repeater will cost. think of the firestorm this will generate from folks who have recently bought Gibson EDPs at the what the current market lets them charge for it. dan "doesn't know when to stop" mcmullen :-) ___ dan mcmullen, ca, usa don't worry - pay attention mailto:dog@well.com 707-485-0220 pgp fingerprint = 1C70 8D81 6B94 93A9 F2D8 9609 2122 BF70 8619 EDAF