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why is there a question of wether it's before or after, when i would assume (or that is, in the way that i use my multi-looper setup) that they would be run into separate channels and busses of a mixer? i recall a '94 issue of guitar player which showed him using a mixer for his signal routings and whatnot. of course, it's all a matter of opinion. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com