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At 02:12 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: >5. You would rather support an innovative, small company like Electrix, or >a much larger corporate entity like Gibson ( who makes the EDP,correct me >if I'm wrong) you are wrong. At 08:05 PM 1/24/2002, William R. Walker, wrote: > I knew I'd catch hell for my Gibson comments. I did not mean to diss >Mathias, Kim, Eric or any of the people directly responsible for the EDP. Then why did you say it? Your comments are quite inaccurate and are directly causing harm to us, and damaging our ability to make a living from what we do. Aurisis Research is a very small operation, and we've been struggling to make the best looping products we can for more than 10 years, with practically no resources. You are not helping. >My beef is with Gibson the corporate entity, and their history with other >small companies they have dealt with in the past like Opcode, which >directly impacted friends of mine, as in loss of job. I don't see what that has to do with us. In terms of looping, Gibson has continued to support the EDP project since 1993. That is longer than any other company has supported a dedicated looping product *EVER*. There are all sorts of reasons why they could have dumped it long ago, but they believed in the idea and were willing to have the patience and willing to devote the resources to see it live. So are they good or evil? >I also think that >Gibson has priced their guitars out of the range of working professionals >which I find frustrating and sad. they sell them for that price because plenty of people are willing to pay that price. that's what we call "capitalism" outside of santa cruz. :-) > I think the EDP is a wonderfull tool which I may ultimately buy, but I >still see Electrix as the David to Gibson's Goliath, and I know they have >been struggling and I want to support them in attaining some longevity. >cheers >Bill Sorry, but that is NOT how it is. Aurisis Research completely owns the echoplex technology. We devoted a huge part of our life and savings and creative energies to creating it. We license to Gibson because we don't have the resources ourselves to pay for manufacturing and sales activities and customer support and so many other things that Gibson has the resources and infrastructure to do. That leaves us free to focus on the engineering and development of dedicated looping devices, which is what we do know how to do. We do have to be constantly involved in the EDP activities at Gibson because without that it would have stopped a long time ago. That is ok though, because that is our role in this partnership. We do whatever we can to keep the EDP as a viable product for them, and therefore they keep making it, which results in us continuing to eke out a little bit of earnings from it all to pay for the next development. This relationship has worked reasonably well since 1993. From my point of view, Electrix is a much bigger operation than Aurisis Research. They actually have full time employees!! Everybody involved with Aurisis has to take other jobs to pay for our living expenses, just so we can keep things going. It is only recently that Matthias has been able to focus on it full time, but that has not always been the case. We are constantly struggling to find time around work schedules and families and the rest of our lives to do this, and it's been a lot of sacrifice to make it happen. Comments like yours really do hurt, both motivationally and economically. I don't mean to take anything from Electrix though. I like those guys and I wish them the best of luck and success. But you're completely wrong to think you are dealing with "David vs Goliath" here. It's two Davids. The only Goliath in the picture is the level of interest in the market and whether enough people will continue buying either one of these loop boxes to keep either shoe-string operation afloat. I would say that is the real big question mark right now in both directions. So if your purchasing decisions are motivated by philanthropic notions of helping the little guy, max that credit card and buy some of each! Before too long, you might regret it if you didn't.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com