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--- Nathan Bannow <Nathan@giza.com> wrote: > Had the loopers you witnessed been practicing together on that on > instrument > (read: instrument + loopers + other gear) for over 10 years? I think it's closer to 20 years for Phish! I'm not a big fan, but I remember hearing a live recording of them playing on the radio as I was driving from Nevada to North Carolina in 1985. They apparently already had a following at that time. > The reason > Phish sounds so tight *together*, is because they have played > *together* so > much. They know how to communicate with each other using a meta > language of the music that they are actually playing! > > I have NEVER heard a jam as cohesive as a Phish jam (post '94 let's > say), at an open jam night. Tbis is a really good point. You get a lot more cohesive the longer you play with the same people. Plus, when you form a band, hopefully you find people who you musically "click" with. That gives you a big kickstart toward musical communication. I've played with a lot of people over the years, and only a where things just really clicked. Beyond that, even looping my own stuff, I've noticed how easy it is to overdo it. The temptation is to play really full parts, but then when it comes back around for the next overdub, there's no space to play anything else in. Restraint and listening are always important musical skills, but I think even moreso when looping, since things accumulate so quickly. The other thing is musical synchronization. The few times I've jammed with people while doing looping, I noticed that random jamming didn't work. I was the only one looping, and it was important that the other musicians listened and followed the loop, since I couldn't adjust it to fit what they were doing. It's like playing to seqenced or prerecorded tracks, you have to fit yourself to them, 'cause they aren't going to change. I would imagine this would become much more difficult if you had multiple people with looping devices playing away. If someone makes a timing mistake while recording their loop, it's not going to stay in synch with someone else's loop (midi/cv synch methods aside). So I could easily see an open jam with looping devices getting out of control, even with highly talented and experienced musicians involved. Greg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/