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I kinda owe this to the group following my thread about dummy loads, my Rivera, JC120s, etc. FWIW - I took dt's (and others) advice, and got my Rivera in my setup *without* using a dummy load + line out. Here's how it looks now. Impressions, comments, ideas are always welcome: Strat w/ GK2a synth pickup -> Roland GR-1 GR-1 Guitar Out -> Volume Pedal -> Wah -> Rivera Preamp Rivera FX Loop Send -> Chorus -> Delay -> Roland GR-1 Guitar Return GR-1 Synth/Guitar Mix Out (L) -> EDP1 -> Vortex (L) -> BBE (L) -> Rivera FX Loop Return GR-1 Synth/Guitar Mix Out (R) -> EDP2 -> Vortex (R) -> BBE (R) -> JC120 The Rivera is hooked up to it's 4x12, no dummy load or attenuation. Thanks again for the advice. I *love* my Knucklehead! Many thanks to Bill Walker for selling me his GR-1! Love it. I can run the EDPs linked for stereo operation, or unlink them and get 2 different loops playing against each other, through both amps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Steven Ginn" <sginn@airmail.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: RE: Stereo Effects & EDP > Yes it sure would be nice to see diagrams of peoples rigs. > > For me, everything in my rig is stereo except for the EDP. I would > prefer to not have to switch between mono & stereo when I move from live > to studio which is why I initially opted for stereo to begin with. In > fact when playing live, I give myself a stereo monitor mix and just send > a mono signal to the house. But, the EDP is still a wrinkle in the mix. > I have Repeater but frankly have decided that because it has the > glitch/bump that shows up with ambient loops, it is unusable for live > play and is not nearly as flexible as the EDP. > > All my synths have effects of their own (except the Nord Micro) so I > guess I could rely on those effects for EDP loop creation. I just would > prefer to be able to use my Eclipse to be able to process both the > pre-loop material and my main signal, but in a way so that everything > doesn't turn to mush. > > Steve > > > > > > A very simerlar setup to me Mark, but its kind of annoying > > that i have to dedicate certain effects to the Repeaters FX > > loop and then not have them available for NON loop material, > > thinking now of using the Repeater 4 channel-out option to my > > desk, but suspect that i will get into a right old mess with > > pre fade and post fade issues. Does anyone make a mixer where > > the Aux sends are neither Pre or Post but operate more like a > > DJ mix fader, IE:one end completely dry, one end completely > > wet, but main fader operating as per usual with Vol... > > > > Suggested it before and it went down like a lead balloon, but > > would like to see in diagrammatical form, the routing/setups > > of peoples rigs... Using Microsoft Visio we could all make > > simerlar drawing that would be very usful for the archives methinks, > > > > MArk Red > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:17 AM > > Subject: Re: Stereo Effects & EDP > > > > > > > I have the same issue. To make matters worse, part of my > > "style" has > > > become using the Repeater's effects loop to be able to play > > dry (well, > > > somewhat dry...) into the Repeater, then have only what's > > in the loop > > > be effected by what's in the effects loop. Very useful. > > I'm sure the > > > same could be done with two EDPs and a programmable patchbay, but > > > there's not the cash for that right now. > > > > > > Basically, I'm planning on using the EDP for live gigs where stereo > > > isn't an issue, and the Repeater in the studio where it's more > > > effective. I'm still hashing this out. > > > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 07:55 PM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > > > Most of what I have read about effects routing and the > > EDP recommend > > > > running an effects processor first and then through the EDP. If > > > > this is the case then what is needed to say go into an Eclipse > > > > effects processor in stereo, come out of the Eclipse and > > split the > > > > signal so that it not only goes back to the main mix bus (aux > > > > return, etc.), it also goes into a stereo to mono > > adapter/combiner > > > > of some sort to go into the EDP? Then I guess I will > > come out the > > > > EDP back to the main mix where the original, effects and > > EDP signals > > > > are combined. I am on the right track here, or am I > > making it too > > > > complicated? Kim said that if I were to put the Eclipse > > at the end > > > > of the signal path and apply effects to the dry mix and the EDP > > > > return, it would probably get a bit muddy. The main > > thing about my > > > > mix is that everything I have is stereo and can be routed stereo, > > > > except for the EDP. I wish I could afford another one > > and solve my > > > > problem that way, but that's not possible right now. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M. Steven Ginn > > > > > > > > ******************************** > > > > Please go to > > > > <www.SeptemberRising.org> > > > > Listen to the music. > > > > Purchase the CD > > > > Support the NY Firefighters > > > > 9/11 Relief Fund > > > > ******************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > >