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I know how you fell about the computer. I hate them too. Check out the DJRND3 - it can do 21 simultaneous stereo loops: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html Emmanuel, the inventor, frequents this list, and I'm sure he'd love to show it to you. He lives in France. -Hans P.S.: http://www.audionerdz.com/index2.htm At 17:09 15/11/2002, you wrote: >Ok, i understand i have to clear to who is a message. The last was for >greg. >This is for Richard and Stuart and Dennis and Sine@ >I have no so many maney.... And consider that i have an unused pc (i use >it >only for internet!) that i buyed to do music. I can't understand well >programs. Also because i have all cracked programs without manuals... >Anyway >something make me crazy in pc. I prefer real time fisical effect at least >now. >Thanks anyway!