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Years ago I played with a demo of a program called LiSa by Steim. (http://www.steim.nl/products.html) It seemed to have most of the functions that Richard spoke of, and it seemed to run pretty well on a Macintosh 7500. I loaded "Danke Schoen" into the RAM buffer, and made different parts of the song into loops. I don't remember if it allowed you to move loop points in real time, but I remember it being very powerful and intuitive. I used the demo (no save) to do a techno remix of Danke Schoen. It ended up sounding so evil I loved it! During the production, it crashed my machine, but still remained functional via midi even though the cursor was frozen. Not a bad crash at all. Mark Sottilaro Paul Weissman wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for >live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... >it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one >hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then >is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them >tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately >available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects >slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance >that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via >laptops. > > paul > > > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] > > > > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from > > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and > > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that > > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will > > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd > > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can > > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or > > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of > > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting > > segments. > > > > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them > > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI > > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops > > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the > > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the > > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more > > than one loop simultaneously. > > > > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and > > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical > > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop > > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that > > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. > > > > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save > > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow > > the creation of multi-loop phrases. > > > > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but > > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and > > loop sequences. > > > > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst > > >plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of >the > > >above concept? > > > > Sign me up. > > -- > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Richard Zvonar, PhD > > (818) 788-2202 > > http://www.zvonar.com > > http://RZCybernetics.com