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LiSa? Re: vst loop plugin



Years ago I played with a demo of a program called LiSa by Steim. 
(http://www.steim.nl/products.html) It seemed to have most of the
functions that Richard spoke of, and it seemed to run pretty well on a
Macintosh 7500.  I loaded "Danke Schoen" into the RAM buffer, and made
different parts of the song into loops.  I don't remember if it allowed
you to move loop points in real time, but I remember it being very
powerful and intuitive.  I used the demo (no save) to do a techno remix
of Danke Schoen.  It ended up sounding so evil I loved it!  During the
production, it crashed my machine, but still remained functional via
midi even though the cursor was frozen.  Not a bad crash at all.

Mark Sottilaro

Paul Weissman wrote:
> 
> great ideas, richard.  sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of
> ableton's live and the little plug we're working on.
> 
> the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for 
>live
> use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with
> the user.  i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... 
>it
> just seems to slow/inefficient.  with a keyboard or midi inteface, one 
>hand
> can control many functions simultaneously and quickly.  the trick then 
>is to
> come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them 
>tied to
> an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls
> meaningful and familiar.
> 
> and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to
> implement.  so what controls do you keep?  which are the most fun to work
> with live?
> 
> i'm hearing the following features:
> - input monitors
> - visual overview of samples
> - loop marker creation
> - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length)
> - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the
> last)
> - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now)
> - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger
>     (this is almost in there already, only via midi though)
> - loop sequencing
> 
> any other ideas from you guys?
> 
> by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately 
>available
> with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several
> instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects 
>slots.
> nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going
> simultaneously.
> 
> i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps.  good chance 
>that
> they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via 
>laptops.
> 
> paul
> 
> > From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com]
> >
> > I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from
> > recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and
> > capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that
> > lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will
> > give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd
> > like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can
> > be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or
> > multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of
> > these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting
> > segments.
> >
> > Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them
> > around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI
> > controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops
> > either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the
> > length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the
> > recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more
> > than one loop simultaneously.
> >
> > It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and
> > to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical
> > controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop
> > to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that
> > each loop would play completely through before switching to the next.
> >
> > A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save
> > sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow
> > the creation of multi-loop phrases.
> >
> > The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but
> > I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and
> > loop sequences.
> >
> > >ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst
> > >plugin.  anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of 
>the
> > >above concept?
> >
> > Sign me up.
> > --
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Richard Zvonar, PhD
> > (818) 788-2202
> > http://www.zvonar.com
> > http://RZCybernetics.com