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I would love to support any beta-testing efforts... i'm an Ableton Live user as well.. best, todd On 12/15/02 2:15 AM, "Paul Weissman" <paul-mailinglists@nioterra.com> wrote: > > great ideas, richard. sounds like you've got a bit of a combination of > ableton's live and the little plug we're working on. > > the biggest limitations designing (and using) applications intended for >live > use, in my experience, is in designing the input/control interaction with > the user. i personally dislike using the mouse for live performance... >it > just seems to slow/inefficient. with a keyboard or midi inteface, one >hand > can control many functions simultaneously and quickly. the trick then >is to > come up with a small, but deep, enough set of controls and have them >tied to > an interface with enough visual feedback to make the abstract controls > meaningful and familiar. > > and, of course, you want to design something that is practical enough to > implement. so what controls do you keep? which are the most fun to work > with live? > > i'm hearing the following features: > - input monitors > - visual overview of samples > - loop marker creation > - loop marker manipulation (sliding, changing length) > - independent loop start/end point manipulation (almost the same as the > last) > - multiple loops (only doing one per instance right now) > - keyboard loop triggering w/optional quantized trigger > (this is almost in there already, only via midi though) > - loop sequencing > > any other ideas from you guys? > > by the way, a lot of what you're talking about will be immediately >available > with the combined use of a v-stack/console like application and several > instances of the plug we're building spread out on multiple effects >slots. > nothing is stopping you from having multiple instances of 'looper' going > simultaneously. > > i'm really excited about these new vst effects shell apps. good chance >that > they'll be extremely helpful to those of us who do live stuff via >laptops. > > paul > > > >> From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] >> >> I usually "perform" on signal processors, with input coming from >> recordings or other players, as opposed to playing an instrument and >> capturing loops of what I've played. I'd like a user interface that >> lets me have a visual overview of the sound material and which will >> give me quick access to editing and signal routing. Therefore I'd >> like to be able to record multiple audio inputs into buffers that can >> be either fully independent or linked together as two-channel or >> multichannel recordings. Then I'd like to be able to loop sections of >> these recordings either by "dropping" markers or by drag-selecting >> segments. >> >> Once I've defined one or more loops I'd like to be able to slide them >> around, either by dragging with the mouse or by assigning a MIDI >> controller. I'd want to control the start and end points of the loops >> either independently or as a pair, so I could dynamically change the >> length of a loop or so I could slide it back and forth through the >> recorded material. It would be good to be able to do this with more >> than one loop simultaneously. >> >> It should be possible to define multiple loops within a recording and >> to assign the selection of these loops to a graphic or physical >> controller such as a MIDI or QWERTY keyboard. Jumping from one loop >> to another should be optionally either instant or queueable, so that >> each loop would play completely through before switching to the next. >> >> A refinement of this loop sequencing system would be to save >> sequences as presets that could then be triggered. This would allow >> the creation of multi-loop phrases. >> >> The user interface for this stuff could be complicated to design, but >> I'd like it to reflect graphically the "objectness" of the loops and >> loop sequences. >> >>> ALSO... we still need two or three more people to help us with our vst >>> plugin. anybody else want to help test/play with an early version of >the >>> above concept? >> >> Sign me up. >> -- >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Richard Zvonar, PhD >> (818) 788-2202 >> http://www.zvonar.com >> http://RZCybernetics.com >