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stan, i said, >> there will be live looping; i'll certainly employ 1 edp, 1 pcm42, 1 repeater, >> and the electronic feedback loop between my gtrs and amp. >> >> best, >> dt / splattercell you replied, >"electronic feedback loop" is the most >forceful,creative,unlimited,chaotic,musical, > amusical and meaningful >looping i have heard and love to play. to be clear, i wasn't trying to be clever, nor was i referring to the (for me) 'normal' playable loop of guitar/amp/speaker/pickup feedback; i was mentioning the electronic feedback loop that i've got built into my instruments, wherein a line-output from my amp is sent back to the input on the guitar, whilst the guitar output is still connected to the amp in the normal way. i have a very fast momentary switch on the face of the instrument that allows for toggling between output (normal) and input (electronic feedback loop). when the loop is engaged, the broad potential range of the feedback signal's pitch/timbre/rhythm is manipulated not by the instrument's strings, but via *any* control in the path, eg volume, tone, any ctrls on pedal-devices etc..... additionally, i've discovered that the last actual *played* notes (while the guitar is set to 'output', that is) ---depending on their distortion lvl/waveshape--- will certainly deeply affect the beginning of the feedback-loop's harmonic/timbral arc and shape..... if you have a mixer at hand, you can experiment w/this by feeding any channel's output directly to its input --- ie, no 'instrument' in the path --- and then massage all eq's, faders, etc that are in the channel path; obviously, if you then add/insert delay-based/looping devices into the channel path, well..... have fun! but: when yer first mutzing around w/all this, be sure to *KEEP YER HAND ON THE MASTER FADER*, so as not to blow up your monitors..... anyways, this is another kind of looping that i employ. best, dt / splattercell http://www.splattercell.com http://www.egroups.com/group/davidtorn