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I think I've seen enough people using the Line6 Pod Pro effectively to realize that amp modeling technology as arrived. I've noticed the last couple of times I've seen Trey Gunn he seems to use them for his stick, and his tone was also one of the best I've seen in a live situation (to those who don't know his work, do yourself a favor and see one of his live shows, my wife and I thought he was one of the best performers we'd seen in quite some time) It just stands to reason that eventually computing power and good software would eventually be able to model a tube amp effectively. It's a complex system, to be sure, but hell my ex girlfriend got her doctorate writing code that modeled gravity wells in black hole situations. Anyway, I swear by my Johnson. It's less fragile, quieter and more powerful than my Ampeg Reverbrocket, and it has great tone. When I got the Reverbrocket I did A/B tests, and I swear some of the models on the Johnson sounded embarrassingly good. I've also heard people who use vintage tube stuff exclusively that sound like crap. Part of me waxes nostalgic about what's sure to be the end of tube amps, but the other part realizes that tubes are the result of a pretty nasty manufacturing process (so are microchips but they're not disposable like tubes are) and will for sure be ever harder to get as time goes by. Oh well. Then again, every time I hear Andre Lafosse play out of that Mesa/Boogie he uses I think, "wow, such tone..." Mark Sottilaro On Sunday, April 27, 2003, at 02:30 AM, Steve Lawson wrote: > if ever I'm talking to tone-purists who go on about the > feeble-ness of modeling amps, I have to agree in lots of cases, but > suggest that they somehow get to hear Bill - better tone than most > guys I've heard using matchless amps...