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This is an admirable idea, but what about all of who already have orders placed on back-order. I'm not about to cancel my order. Also, sales organizations vary in structure, aligned by account, area, sub-region, etc. It would be highly unlikely that one sales director would own sales for one product...more likely that there are directors aligned by vertical or sub-region. Rather than a sales director, perhaps you could try to locate the account manager, who also carries quota. It's hard to say without getting inside of the company. Sales motions are typically hard to change. Kris -----Original Message----- From: vze2ncsr@verizon.net [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Log-jam --- Place your EDP orders here, now. OK - I'M SICK OF THIS EDP WHINING. I just lost a long e-mail outlining a process to nudge fate along. So, I'll probably outline it again -- a lot shorter this time around. We did this before, we can do this again. There are no guarantees and it will take a few months, but it can make a difference. In the meantime, could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP's AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Here's what I propose. 1) Find an individual at Gibson who will benefit personally and financially from EDP's shipping 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 EDP orders worldwide 1) Find someone a Gibson who will benefit from EDP's shipping Until we find someone at Gibson who personally benefits from the sale of 300 EDP's, we have no champion on our side. The people who benefit most from sales of Gibson products are Gibson's Sales Directors (not marketing and not finance). We need to talk a Director of Sales / Distribution with a territory and with a sales quota who can benefit from selling 300 EDP's. If we can create a scenario where all 300 units are shipped through this person's territory, then these sales apply to that person's quota. Hopefully they can get a bonus based on $200,000 of EDP's. As you can see this is not a lot of money. So we need to make this easy for someone. Basically, we need to give him/her the orders and a super-simple process to fulfill the orders. 2) Collate a list of EDP orders from buyers worldwide We need a consolidated list of orders to show the guaranteed sales potential. As a group, with 300 orders in hand we have an impact. I've done this before. I'll do it again. So, I'll volunteer to collate EDP orders. This list will be our leverage. Where-ever you are in the world, if you want to buy an EDP, please send me an e-mail with the following information: FirstName: LastName: Telephone: E-MAIL: City: Province/State: Country: Number of EDP's you want to buy (assume an $800 price): PLEASE SEND ME INFORMATION OFF-LIST ONLY!! I will ONLY provide this list to two people: 1) The designated Gibson VP/Director of Sales who we negotiate with; 2) The designated Retailer who will be targeted to handle all the EDP orders we create. If anyone doubts my ability to safeguard your personal information, please get in touch with beneficiaries of the last "EDP Group Buy" I facilitated. If you already have orders with other retailers, please place your order again with me, here, now. Assume this will be the last ever EDP run, and that it this works no other retailers will ever receive their requested units. This actually might be closer to the truth than I would like to realize. I will provide periodic updates on status. When I have 100 orders, we have a little clout. With 300 orders we're in better shape as this will basically cover all the 300 units currently languishing in a UK warehouse. 3) Find a retailer who can handle 300 order Does anyone remember the name of the Californian retailer through whom who we channeled all orders last time? They had a process that seemed to satisfy everyone before. No need to reinvent the wheel. Why just one retailer? Simple: 1) So we impact the sales quota of our Gibson Sales & Retail Champion. 2) To simplify accounting and shipping information for Gibson and the Mystery UK Owner of 300+ EDP's. So, to summarize: 1) We need to find a Gibson Director of Sales & Distribution who will act as a "Champion" and who will benefit from selling 300 EDP units through his/her territory. 2) I will collate a list of buyers worldwide. I will keep all information secure, and share only with the designated retailer and the VP at Gibson we work through. 3) We need a single retailer who can handle world-wide shipments. Does anyone remember the Cali retailer we used last time? Don't expect this to work overnight. Last time around this took a few months to get going. But I'm lead to believe it made an impact, and I know people did received EDP's via this "group buy" process. I bought three, myself. AGAIN: Could someone from the British company currently possessing the 300+ EDP's AND who is authorized to allow their release please contact me? Without your direct contact, we will have no authority to move. You probably have questions. I need to answer them. If you want to buy an EDP and you're feeling iffy about my credentials on doing this, please contact Kim. He will remember this process from last time around. If you have any questions about this process, please contact me directly and under separate cover. But, before you contact me, please could I ask that you re-read this email? :-) OK. I must be crazy to get involved, but I know doing this was helpful last time around. It's a loop I know. :-) David Kirkdorffer > > From: "Krispen Hartung" <info@krispenhartung.com> > Date: 2004/05/19 Wed AM 02:25:33 GMT > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Subject: RE: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > Agreed. Customer satisfaction and loyalty, two traits that > distinguish the most successful and well respected companies in the > world, are obviously not in Gibson's charter and overall business > plan. The sad thing is that the customer need is being delivered to them on a silver > platter, but they are playing politics. Gibson has some of us at a > disadvantage for the time being, because they lack a viable competitor > that can provide an alternative product with a similar feature set. > However, this arrangement will only endure so long before customers > settle with an alternative product, or another manufacture comes out > with something new and comparable, after which EDP will die in the > marketplace. Gibson can cry "middleman" all they want, but the bottom > line is that their reputation is on the line. This is flat out > marketing 101 poor business practice. > > I would encourage everyone to express their concerns using Gibson's > web > form: http://www.gibson.com/info/mailfeeder/indextest.html > > Paste the following: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=E > DP > %3Bbackorder&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=partial&.cgifie > lds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=case&.cgifields=filel > ist > > (search string on looper's delight for "EDP;backorder" > > > K- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:01 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > I do hope that Kim or Matthias or Andy or someone is getting these > kinds of comments back to the geniuses at Gibson? There's something > fundamentally flawed in what's going on with the EDP (my opinion, > obviously). It seems like really bad business, or more likely, those > typical disconnected, illogical, profit-draining decisions that > companies start to make when they are confused about their strategy > with a particular product. > > Read it, boys. If you're backing out of the product, then get the > hell out and give someone a shot. If not, get off of your butts, pay > for the machines, and then SELL THEM TO PEOPLE. > > Unreal. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paolo Valladolid" <paolovalladolid@yahoo.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Gibson and Looping--Not Over Yet? > > > > I hope so. Better yet, somebody reproduces the EDP features in a > > different unit (not made by Gibson). > > > > I wanted to order one, but none of the stores had any > > in stock. Then I found out about the Gibson warehouse mess. > > > > So I got an Emu XL-7 instead and put down a deposit on > > the EH16 reissue. > > > > Paolo > > > > --- Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote: > > > ----> Surely it is only a matter of time before the > > > EDP comes back to > > > market. > > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paolo Valladolid > > > <snip> > > > Gibson allowing 300+ EDPS to rot in a warehouse > > > because they took forever to > > > pay for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ > > > > >