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That can easily be overcome if the local coffee shop gives a damn. That sounds more like an excuse on the local coffee shop's part. Seattle is SATURATED with chain coffee shops (Starbucks, Tully's, Seattle's Best, etc) but the independents seem to have no problem. While a shop like Coffee Messiah treats Starbucks as inherently evil as part of their marketing angle, they seem to have no problem with making a buck selling coffee because they are passionate about their coffee. Passion sells in anything you do. You all should know this as musicians. If you are a mom and pop coffee shop you do have to be passionate about it. If you are, even in the event of a tie between Starbucks and the mom and pop, most customers will spend the money in their hometown store. DM -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 11:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Off Topic? I'll give you Off Topic!! At 2:24 AM -0700 8/6/04, Gary Lehmann wrote: >Why is Starbucks evil? Or rather, how? For me the main thing is their predatory business practice of opening stores in the immediate vicinity of established neighborhood coffee shops. They'll even saturate a neighborhood with stores to the point where each one has reduced profitability, but the company itself still see snet profit.. This can have the effect of "starving out" the local cafes, leaving Starbuck's with all the customers. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com