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At 20:31 23/03/05, you wrote: >>Talk to Jeff about what is missing not me I am just an enthusiastic >user. I >>will agree with one thing for sure if you don't have an FCB1010 and an >ASIO >>capable card (PCI) you won't get as much out of this program. hi Tony, Quite right, and luckily he saw anyway. The EDP has a lot of features designed to allow the manipulation of loops well beyond the the "loop/overdub/feedback" norm. Mobius incorporates some of those, particularly the more commonly used ones, it also has new features not found in the EDP. I don't see it as having stuff missing, rather that it's a different beast altogether which incorporates a lot of EDP ideas. I'm partly responsible for some of the EDP Interface Modes, so probably I overestimate their importance ( there's plenty of stuff in there no-one exploited yet). hi Jeff Your take on Loop Windowing sounds very promising. "Reverse Snipplets" was an effect that was easy in loop3. Ending a Multiply with Reverse would cause the loop length to be cut where the Reverse was pressed( UnRounded Multiply) so I could play a short phrase over a loop, and then have it Reversed and Repeated , with a small section of loop as backing. By using Nextloop to create the "Snipplet" it was possible to leave the original loop intact and return to it. In Loop4 the Multiply function was improved so that alternate endings would still give a RoundMultiply, and Reverse Snipplets required a second press of Reverse to make them happen (not so easy to get good timing on what is anyway a difficult technique to pull off) Against his better judgement, I eventually persuaded Matthias to put "Reverse Snipplets" into Loop4. "The Hidden UnroundedMultiply Reverse Function" (in the manual) was the result. As far as I know, only Andre LaFosse ever found the function. "Snipplets" is a word in a language called Switznglish, the meaning is self evident. andybutler