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Both of those pedals are overkill if you just want to jam over changes, which isn't to say that they're being used in the "wrong" way. Musicians will always find some way to get use out of just about anything--what I'm curious about is what the manufacturer's intended when they designed the things. And while numerically the active posters on LD may represent a small segment of the entire market for loopers, I don't think that our use patterns are that unrepresentative. TravisH On 10/14/05, Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote: > From watching TalkBass, and listening to (young) musicians I know, > they love the Digitech and Boss like crazy. Much more than any of the > serious loopers -- even the DL4. What they want to do, by and large, > is jam over their changes, and these pedals do that just fine. If you > can save your changes, so much the better. I think that these boxes > aren't made for _us_; we represent probably, just a guess here, .01% > of the market. >