Re: crappy music of the masses

["Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net>]

<< So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >>

I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather 
than 
the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, whatever.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses


> I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you 
>hate 
> rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe that 
>might 
> make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece.  Take a chain 
>saw 
> to an iron cast frying pan...loop that.
>
>> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical 
>> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, 
>> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al).
>
> That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own 
>actions 
> comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic "necessary" 
> or logical connection between anger and assault and battery, unless 
>we're 
> talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can easily switch 
>to 
> my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where everything goes and 
>no 
> one is repsonsible).
>
>> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect those 
>> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or 
>> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever.
>> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by 
>the 
>> media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are doing 
>> isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves 
>but 
>> rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what they 
>> should be doing by folks selling stuff.
>
> Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist?  Cool if 
>you 
> are...I'm borderline.  Let's not get the rest of the world to buy into 
> that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;)
>
> Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I 
>don't 
> believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" anyone 
> to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately absorb our 
> environment and make choices based on that data.  We have choices. That 
>is 
> the key here.
>
> K-
>
>>
>>
>> ---- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of expression 
>>> to
>>> me. It's all permitted.  It's just not reaching out to greet you at the
>>> door.  Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art 
>should 
>>> do
>>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than what 
>a
>>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific boring
>>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at
>>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a tremdous 
>>> waste
>>> of artistic energy.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents, man....
>>>
>>> K-
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Todd Pafford" <calenlas@gmail.com>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed, d.s..
>>>
>>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me.
>>>  What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world.  And of
>>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres.
>>> Bleh.
>>>
>>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read.  (Of
>>> course, it was the same in my day too.)  So here we have a situation
>>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest
>>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything
>>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically
>>> thinking about how they're living.  It's a sad and pitiable waste of
>>> life.
>>>
>>> T.
>>>
>>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >      who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im 
>>> > sick of
>>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the 
>>> > mindless
>>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at
>>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to 
>>> > the
>>> > fat
>>> > greedy humans in buffet lines!
>>> >      angry about it,
>>> >                            scary!
>>> >
>>> >
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