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> << So if you hate rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, >> > > I was thinking of the people creating the 'anger-oriented' music rather > than the person who is angry at the rappers, heavy metal goobers, > whatever. Understood. I hope you didn't think I was singling you out with my generalized "you." This is another interesting, albeit philosophical topic. Over the years, occasionally being tempted by the human tendency to be ethnocentric and egocentric, I've made my share of caustic remarks regarding other forms of music. People make negative comments about "some" looping music too, saying it's overly repetetive, too long, boring, etc. In any event, without fail, after I make such remarks about other forms of music that I don't particularly enjoy, I always end up feeling as if I've betrayed myself as an artist and failed to heed one of the fundamental principles that makes art what it is, viz., utterly free and unrestrained emotional expression. That form of expression is sacred. It is un-touchable, and "good unto itself" according to some folks. When I said all is permitted earlier, I meant it, and I believe it. As artists, as soon as we start censoring or marginalizing forms of art that don't please us, or which we find revolting, then we've betrayed the very same principles that permit us the freedom to do what we want and not be judged or criticized for it. So I find the best thing to do, for me personally, is to just keep my mouth shut in light of artforms that I don't like. It's not wrong to be revolted by a particular form of art. That is a natural human reaction. What is questionable and just as revolting is when that revolting feeling converts to quasi-objective claims about the intrinsic nature of the offending art. It's one thing to say that such an such art makes you feel bad. It's quite another thing to say that the art IS bad. That was more than 2 cents, I guess... :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:20 PM > Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses > > >> I'm all for taking that anger and making more music of it. So if you >hate >> rap, gangsta rap, death metal, etc, etc...then who knows, maybe that >> might make good inspiration for a dark ambient looping piece. Take a >> chain saw to an iron cast frying pan...loop that. >> >>> BUT..........what if the anger & expression lead to physical >>> manifestations? (i.e. beating the shit out of people, killing folks, >>> beating the crap out of one's significant other, et al). >> >> That's where this thing called taking responsibility for one's own >> actions comes into play. The last I heard, there is no psychosomatic >> "necessary" or logical connection between anger and assault and >battery, >> unless we're talking about a real disorder or psychosis (though I can >> easily switch to my philosophical mode here and posit a theory where >> everything goes and no one is repsonsible). >> >>> Personal expression is great. The older I get, the more I respect >those >>> who don't conform to the norms and express themselves via the arts or >>> even just in terms of clothing, hair, whatever. >>> However, a lot of brainwashing is in effect in modern day society by >the >>> media/advertising/broadcasting conglomerates. And what people are >doing >>> isn't necessarily motivated by their own desire to express themselves >>> but rather their expression is a result of being influenced as to what >>> they should be doing by folks selling stuff. >> >> Hmmmm...smells like determinism to me. Are you a determinist? Cool if >> you are...I'm borderline. Let's not get the rest of the world to buy >> into that, however....otherwise, we're f*cked. ;) >> >> Practically, however, I do still question this power of influence. I >> don't believe (or disbelieve for that matter) that society is "causing" >> anyone to do anthing. That remains to be demonstrated. We ultimately >> absorb our environment and make choices based on that data. We have >> choices. That is the key here. >> >> K- >> >>> >>> >>> ---- Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: >>>> Sorry folks. It all seems like art and just another form of >expression >>>> to >>>> me. It's all permitted. It's just not reaching out to greet you at >the >>>> door. Of course, I'm repulsed by most of it as well, as some art >>>> should do >>>> to us ina healthy system of artist expression. If it doesn't than >what >>>> a >>>> sorry ass, monochromatic, undiverisifed, and basically soporific >boring >>>> world we would live in. Now that would make me angry. Getting angry at >>>> people getting angry and expressing it via music seems like a >tremdous >>>> waste >>>> of artistic energy. >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents, man.... >>>> >>>> K- >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Todd Pafford" <calenlas@gmail.com> >>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:21 AM >>>> Subject: Re: crappy music of the masses >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed, d.s.. >>>> >>>> The anger, hatred, and violence in gangsta & metal genres astounds me. >>>> What a waste of a day to spend it pissed off at the world. And of >>>> course there's the rampant consumerism in the pop & hip-hop genres. >>>> Bleh. >>>> >>>> The saddest thing to me is that most hip young people don't read. (Of >>>> course, it was the same in my day too.) So here we have a situation >>>> where folks spend all day pissed off, thinking about the latest >>>> fashions and bling to spend their dough on, and not learning anything >>>> from several thousand years of human existence and not critically >>>> thinking about how they're living. It's a sad and pitiable waste of >>>> life. >>>> >>>> T. >>>> >>>> On 1/11/06, daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> > who keeps pushing this crappy music to the ignorant masses?im >>>> > sick of >>>> > it to the point of violence! the cocaine pushing rap music...the >>>> > mindless >>>> > rabble of big guitar rock...all the pedofilic pop music aimed at >>>> > kids...where is the art? its no puzzel...kill em all and feed em to >>>> > the >>>> > fat >>>> > greedy humans in buffet lines! >>>> > angry about it, >>>> > scary! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > Yahoo! Photos >>>> > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, >>>> > holidays, >>>> > whatever. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >