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I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language, which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows how deep you can go). So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol, triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... wait. I made that part up. Jeff Kaiser http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient > gui. > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there > are so many of them! > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > a. >