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I didn't mean to focus on that aspect, I only wanted to point out that the more complex ideas require more of an understanding at that level... that's why I pointed out the simplistic route as well... because of that, the exact dynamic you describe happens.. :) at a basic level, it's just like plugging cables between fx boxes, and tweaking the parameters... peace -cpr Quoting Jeff Kaiser <loopersdelight@pfmentum.com>: > I think many people are focusing on this as a "programming" language, > which it really "sort of is, can be, but sort of is not, and doesn't > have to be"....one of the many beautiful things about max is that it > goes as deep as you want it to.....which doesn't have to be deep. > > I use it as a virtual pedal board/rack that I can change the order of > the effects instantly. I do write my own patches now, but at first, I > used mostly VST with max's venerable vst object. Very easy to host VSTs > (MOBIUS users might like that) with that, but more customizable than > plain hosts. Then one day last november I just started writing > patches....and boom, now I'm addicted. It really is fun and not that > hard on the level I'm at. Admittedly, I'm not writing hipno type > effects.....(which, by the way, I presume you all know that pluggo and > hipno were created with maxMSP (and jitter for hipno)....which shows > how deep you can go). > > So now: when I want to add a new timbre....instead of dropping the big > bucks for a new box, I sit down over a pot of tea and write one....or > do a tutorial (they are great) and get an idea from them. > > There is also a recent study that says Max/MSP lowers your cholesterol, > triglycerides and prevents Alzheimers's Disease.... > > wait. I made that part up. > > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.jeffkaisermusic.com > pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com > > > On May 5, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > > weeeeeell, I actually think it's a lot easier than I would have 2 > > weeks ago. I'm about three weeks into the demo, but I already have a > > working - and EXTREMELY flexible - midi clock reader. I did the patch > > on the train, on the way home from a jam-session. This can easily be > > used to retrigger buffer playback in a rhythmic fashion. Might be more > > "programmer"-minded, but definitely NOT hard. IMO. > > > > Similarly I did a full hotkey-macro-trigger system in about 30 minutes > > - in many cases the system is A LOT easier to use than Reaktor - and > > OTOH some things appear slightly clumsy in max, even though the > > solution might be a lot more lean, due to the ancient, but efficient > > gui. > > > > The hardest thing about max is knowing which externals to use - there > > are so many of them! > > > > Now I just have a few days left to try out the MSP side some more, > > before I have to go begging my wife for the cash ;-) > > > > a. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.