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"There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his music." ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". So I take that to mean that the instrument is either a means to produce "the correct notes", or that is something that can be explored to find new sounds and new music. Musicians who develop extended technique presumably have a certain curiosity about their instrument which is not shared by others. It struck me too that this applies to looping, there seem to be a lot of loopers who want their looping gear to perform in certain pre-defined ways, and not many who are not tempted to experiment/improvise with the looping device itself. andy butler www.andybutler.com