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>> And so from such minimalistic beginnings, yada gabba hey. But in any >> event I had to wonder if others using effects, vsts etc had thought of >> the fact that one is playing everything in the signal path at times. >> Does this only involve when one is seeking a deliberate result? I consider all my effects 'playable' as anything with a knob is fair game. I've gotten some weird results by turning the patch selection knob on my Adrenalinn run through a looper. Just the process of playing with my effects turns up interesting results, unfortunately, I'm usually so 'into' what I'm doing, that I forget what I did and it's gone into the ether. Hopefully, it's been recorded so I can play with THAT later. :) I haven't mastered any of my effects/loopers, so doing something deliberate is, uh, well... intermittent at best. Maybe to my detriment, but it's always an interesting ride while I'm experimenting. So, I guess I'm on the side that doesn't look at loopers having limitations or lack of features, I just use them for what they do have. It's just another tool with given parameters. I guess in the same way I like having several different guitars and synths and not a Variax or an all-in-one synth. ya know? Tony