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Yup...your reasoning seems sound. In my case, I have nothing on the floor. I connect one cable from my guitar to the amp, turn the amp on, and away I go. I can setup in about 2 minutes or less. Of course, if I were doing a more large scale/higher paying gig, I might bring my two Mackie powered speakers, and just use my laptop. Still nothing on the floor. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: guitar amps > Oh I hear you, I just always think "well I'm going to > have to have at least one thing on the floor anyway" > so why not have it be the source of my tone? Sure > it's kind of a controller at the same time too. > > > --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > >> I'm with you. I could even run my laptop directly >> into my Mackie 1x10 >> speakers...it's mainly convenience and portability. >> I have a thing about >> being able to walk into a jazz gig with nothing buy >> my guitar and a combo >> amp. :) It's ver liberating. The more gear I have >> to setup for a gig like >> that, the more disgruntled I get over time. / K >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:47 PM >> Subject: Re: guitar amps >> >> >> >I think we've been over this before, but since you >> > seem to be happy with many of the modelers around >> (as >> > am I) why not just get a nice keyboard amp or >> powered >> > PA speaker and use the amp modeler of your choice? >> > This gives amazing flexibility IMO. Sounds good >> for >> > bass, acoustic and you can even route keyboard >> sounds >> > though it. Get a modeler that's an all in one >> floor >> > unit, as I'm sure you'll need stuff on the ground >> > anyway. >> > >> > I found the Mackie 650s to be a little cold >> sounding >> > but had great bottom. A bit of time with an EQ >> was >> > all they needed though. Why have the bells and >> > whistles in the amp? >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: >> > >> >> The polytones are indeed nice (just don't use the >> >> gain on them, as that >> >> produces what could likely be the most nasty >> >> sounding distortion on the >> >> planet earth)...however, having used many models >> of >> >> Polytones in my guitar >> >> playing history, I find that they are a generally >> a >> >> one-dimensional amp. >> >> Most guys I know using them are using good sized >> >> archtop guitars, which is >> >> what I did. The polytones are designed to have a >> >> very flat frequency >> >> response and re-produce the beautiful, and unique >> >> sound of a big bodied >> >> archtop. This is also why they are a popular amp >> >> for accordion players. But >> >> for someone who wants to play modern jazz - a mix >> of >> >> traditional clean tones >> >> with other flavors of dirtied up tones, like Mike >> >> Stearn, Scofield, etc - I >> >> don't believe the Polytone is a good choice. It's >> >> not that sort of amp. I >> >> keep falling back to the newer DSP amps, like the >> >> Roland Cube 60, Fender >> >> FM65, Vox, and so on. I keep seeing these amps >> pop >> >> up in jazz guitar >> >> discussion forums over, and over again. One just >> >> found out that one of my >> >> favorite jazz guitarists, Lorne Lofsky (an >> >> mind-blowing modern jazz >> >> guitarist that teaches and lives in the Toronto >> >> area), is also using the >> >> Fender FM65. These amps have the ability to >> produce >> >> a very clean tone (like >> >> a JC-120), but also a vintage amp or tube amp >> that >> >> will get dirty when you >> >> push it. I never believed it until I use them, >> but >> >> amps like the Cube 60 >> >> even have the ability to produce that "spongy" >> feel >> >> of tube amps. I think >> >> it's just amazing what they've done with >> them...so, >> >> for the versatile jazz >> >> guitarist who has to switch from traditional >> jazz, >> >> to smooth jazz, to modern >> >> jazz, to fusion on the fly depending on the gig, >> >> these DSP amps are the >> >> cat's meow. >> >> >> >> I find "harshness" to be a feature of EQ, not an >> >> amp. I've never played an >> >> amp that I couldn't get a smooth tone out of by >> >> adjusting the EQ...roll off >> >> the presence or highs, boost the mids, and turn >> the >> >> tone down on the guitar >> >> a bit....all age old tricks of jazz guitar >> players >> >> to "silkify" their tones. >> >> Although I've heard some tube purists say that >> solid >> >> state amps in general >> >> are harsh...but I think this is an unqualified >> claim >> >> as well. Once you tweak >> >> a solid state amp right, it will NOT sound >> >> harsh..."harshness" is not the >> >> right term, in my opition..rather, it's that >> >> "sponginess" I mentioned, the >> >> fact that tube amps breaks up when you push them, >> >> that they change >> >> throughout the duration of a performance as they >> >> heat up (which annoys the >> >> shit out of me), etc. I think harshness is an >> easy >> >> characteristic to >> >> change, but these more organic features of tube >> amps >> >> are more difficult to >> >> emulate...but the new DSP amps are getting really >> >> good at it...enough so for >> >> that I really prefer the DSP amps now, because >> they >> >> run cool, don't require >> >> tube maintenance, and they are light. It's the >> best >> >> of all worlds. I don't >> >> know who a Roland could be regarded as >> harsh...turn >> >> the treble and presence >> >> to 0...the last thing it will be is >> >> harsh...incredibly undefined, but not >> >> harsh. >> >> >> >> Speaking of Polytone, you ever played a 104? The >> >> George Benson model? I used >> >> to one one...weight a tone, but it was a LOUD >> >> sob....very clean, 2X12 amp. I >> >> used to own a Lab Series L5 too...very intriguing >> >> amps, with built in >> >> compression and some filtering EQ. I used to run >> a >> >> L5 one one site, and a >> >> Polytone 104 on the other for big jazz gigs, >> where I >> >> had to compete with an >> >> 18 piece jazz group or loud drummer. >> >> >> >> K- >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "samba -" <sambacomet@hotmail.com> >> >> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >> >> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:55 PM >> >> Subject: guitar amps >> >> >> >> >> >> > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> > >> >> > I think for small portable the polytone is very >> >> tatsty. I find the roland >> >> > stuff has a sort of harsh edge,where the >> polytone >> >> is sweet.No bells and >> >> > whisltes though.I got one for under 100 and >> have >> >> seen 2-3 for 50 that >> >> > needed repair.It'/s usually switch or power >> supply >> >> problems,or maybe a >> >> > cap. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> >> > All-in-one security and maintenance for your >> PC. >> >> Get a free 90-day trial! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > === message truncated === > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > >