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Very few of these true feedback units have multiple level inputs. We almost universally use a mixer to attenuate several inputs (eg. mic, guitar, line level stuff like keyboards and cd players etc.) and hang the looper on an aux send. (Or a pair of them if we want stereo, although there are all the attendant sync problems.) So make your life a lot easier and get a small mixer . . . you can even hang garden-variety guitar pedals on the aux, and loop away.
On 3/8/07, radio radio <radiotelevision@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't know that - what does that mean?
THANKS!
On 3/8/07, arcmotion <andrzej@arcmotion.com> wrote:
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>
> just in case you dont know ...the rc50 does true feedback but relies on an
> external mixer to acheive this.....although i havent tried this out for
> myself yet....but others have and apparently it works.
>
> what also makes this interesting is that you can put effects on that decay
> loop.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: radio radio
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:36 AM
> Subject: Re: looping pedal with decay?
>
> thanks for the replies! I think the Gibson EDP is out of my price range,
> unless I can find a rediculous deal on one on Ebay, but I am glad to know
> that that the Boomerang does have a decay - I did not realize that. Right
> now that may look like the best option, although I am a bit wary of the
> noise that many reviewers report as my rig is already quite noisey. Another
> person recommended the Electro Harmonix 2880 or their 16 second delay (and
> mentioned that the original lexicon jamman and the electrix repeater also
> had a function to set the feedback). I'm glad to know that I what I want
> does indeed exist and for the help in narrowing it down. Now I can return
> the looper I bought that I thought had a set-able feedback but does not
> (digitech jamman). In looking at these other ones, I can't tell which ones
> accept more than one type of input ( e.g., instrument, mic, and line
> levels). I would want at least the ability to use an instrument and a mic,
> although I wouldn't necessarily need to be able to do both simultaneously,
> so long as I got quick at switching.
>
> Does anyone else out there want to weigh in on this issue before I spend the
> money I don't have? The quest is for a looping pedal that takes both
> instrument level and line level and which you can set the feedback for the
> loops (versus having them loop infinitely). I currently do not have any rack
> equipment, is that a bridge I want to cross? Is there anything else I should
> be considering in a addition?
>
> The ones mentioned so far are:
>
> Gibson Echoplex
> Boomerang plus
> Electro-Harmonix 2820
> Electro-Harmonix 16 second delay
> Original Lexicon Jamman
> Electrix Repeater
>
> ?????????????????????????????
> THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Eben
>
>
> On 2/27/07, mike@michaelplishka.com <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> > If I read you correctly, the Gibson EDP does what you want and tons more!
> > I upgraded from a Boomerang plus which does have the decay but you pick it
> > ahead of time (i.e. 20 reps, 10, 1 or infinite I beleive)
> >
> > my 2 cents...
> >
> > Plish
> >
> > www.myspace.com/michaelplishka
> > www.myspace.com/bohdanovich
> > www.michaelplishka.com
> >
> > > The only things that I know of that will do what you
> > > describe are delay pedals. I think the Giga delay> > > would be your best bet, but I'd also read somewhere
> > > that this one artist(I can't remebmer his name) uses
> > > Eventide rack mount processors set up with an
> > > algorhythm that was set with a 95% feedback so that
> > > his loops would decay over time. That sounds more like
> > > what you want, but that stuff is way expensive. Other
> > > than that, sounds like all you need is a digital delay
> > > unit with copious anmounts of time and to be able to
> > > set the feedback setting as needed to make the loops
> > > decay over time.
> > > --- radio radio <radiotelevision@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I want to buy a pedal and get into looping but am
> > >> having trouble
> > >> figuring out which one will best meet my needs (and
> > >> budget). I've
> > >> learned a LOT from this web site, but still can't
> > >> quite figure out
> > >> everything and would really benefit from a human
> > >> (albeit
> > >> computer-mediated) interaction. Thanks in advance
> > >> for taking the time
> > >> to read this and respond - I hope that I will be
> > >> able to "give back"
> > >> some day when I know something worth while. Until
> > >> then, I guess I
> > >> should donate to this site if I get any responses.
> > >>
> > >> From what I've read and thought about, it looks like
> > >> what will be the
> > >> most important distinction for me is that the loops
> > >> will be able to
> > >> decay. In other words, you can lay down a loop, lay
> > >> down another one
> > >> on top, and then another, and so on, and eventually
> > >> the first one dies
> > >> out, then the second one, and so on. I imagine this
> > >> working like a
> > >> delay pedal in which you can set the decay (or is
> > >> that called
> > >> feedback?). So you could "morph" over time into new
> > >> things, without
> > >> being stuck with your original loops, and without
> > >> having to open a new
> > >> loop and start from scratch with only one new track
> > >> each time you
> > >> wanted to change it up.
> > >>
> > >> The three pedals I've looked into are:
> > >>
> > >> BOSS RC20xl, Digitech Jamman, and BOSS DD-20 giga
> > >> delay
> > >>
> > >> I thought the BOSS was it, but now I'm thinking that
> > >> it doesn't allow
> > >> this thing that I described. I can't tell if you can
> > >> do this with the
> > >> Jamman or not - does anyone know? You could do this
> > >> with the DD-20,
> > >> but I can't tell if you'd be able to set a
> > >> loop/delay time up with
> > >> your foot or not (versus having to set it to a
> > >> certain number of
> > >> seconds and then hope you can keep your riff to that
> > >> length) or if
> > >> there would be other difficulties that I'm not aware
> > >> of if you're
> > >> using this as a looping pedal when it's built to be
> > >> a delay.
> > >>
> > >> Should I be considering a different pedal? I don't
> > >> really need a delay
> > >> pedal - I want a loop pedal that decays. I don't
> > >> really need to be
> > >> able to save my loops - I just want to be able to
> > >> set them up on the
> > >> fly. I don't need to be able to save them on my
> > >> computer. I don't need
> > >> to be able to plug in a separate mic or instrument
> > >> in addition to the
> > >> guitar, although that would be a definite bonus for
> > >> me. I don't need a
> > >> long amount of time - I'm guessing 23 seconds is
> > >> plenty. I don't know
> > >> if I need the ability to set up separate loops or
> > >> not - I certainly
> > >> wouldn't mind, but I don't know enough about using a
> > >> looper yet to
> > >> know about that. Also, how important is
> > >> 'auto-quanitze'? Lastly, I
> > >> don't have a lot of money to spend, so the echoplex
> > >> is right out. The
> > >> boomerang is also too expensive, and anyway I'm
> > >> affraid of the noise
> > >> issues that people have written about with that one.
> > >> I haven't really
> > >> learned about any other pedals out there.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again!
> > >> Eben
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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