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Back in the dark ages when I was studying guitar in Boston, William Leavitt was my private teacher. Besides hooking me to the metronome, he had a couple other things that he would force on me at lessons. One was to play with my eyes closed, visualizing the fingerboard and taking risks on long leaps of ten to fourteen frets, resolving the notes musically if I came out on the wrong one (citing Charlie Parker's quote "There's no such thing as a bad note--only a bad resolution.") The other was trickier than that. I'd play a solo, and he'd say "Good. Now go back and play that same solo on just the fourth string." This forced some interesting movements, to say the least, and while I rarely--if ever--actually executed the exact solo phrase, it gave each string more fertile territory and broke up the box-position habits very nicely. dave Warren Sirota Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Do you actually loop with the instrument you are most proficient on? (Re: What would loopers do without power?) Interesting discussion. In the realm of jazz guitar, I've been breaking away from cliches by - well, I don't know whether you'd call it "adopting" or "abandoning" position playing. I have a to move all over the neck when playing jazz tunes - if the root is D, I'll want to play at the 5th fret (where the D bass is on string 5) or the 10th (D bass on string 6), more or less. Now I'm trying to play through tunes without changing position - start at the 8th fret and play scales and arpeggios that suit the underlying chords, but without moving from that fret as the tune cycles through all its changes and keys. Then, on the next chorus, do the same thing at the 2nd fret, or in open position. That has certainly been effective for expanding my vocabulary (and, I feel it's made it more authentic-sounding). As I go through these changes, preferring accuracy and coherent phrasing to speed, I find the connection between what I hear in my head and what comes out to be improving as well.