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I knew I was on dangerous ground there, hence the
IMO. All I mean is that I can't create multipart
on the fly improv loops live because of the need to stop and save before moving
to a different loop. As far as saved loops yes you can seamlessy go back and
forth. I suppose that I could save blank loops of varying lengths if my timing
was that good. I think that it was designed to allow pre recording of backing
tracks. As these can be used in a "live " situation for accompaniment I suppose
it can be called a live looper (arrrgh). It does say on it that it is a
"Looper/Phrase Sampler". I am an old school type looper sort who learned on
long delays that could fade out and mutate into new things on the fly so perhaps
I don't really grasp the concept well.
I do wholeheartedly agree that the Jamman is a
great practice tool. When I teach basic guitar to friends I love to have them
record their own rhythms to jam with. It really opens it up for
them.
Looper/Phrase Sampler? It seems to me there is a
big difference. I just can't put my finger on it.
onward through the fog,
Jeff
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> That is correct, the digi jamman is designed
to pre record your backing
> tracks. Its not a live looper IMO. its a
phrase sampler.
It's both a phrase sampler and a live looper. Just
because it doesn't jump seamlessly between loops doesn't mean that
it can't be used live, or that it wasn't "designed" to; it just
means that the loop itself is a static, one way sort of thing. . .
an obvious limitation when comparing it to other loopers, but still useful in
its own way, esp. for beginners . . .
> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>
>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:53
PM
> Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions Sought
>
>
>> Thank you for the suggestion!
>>
>>
The only issue I might have with the JamMan is that, while on paper
it
>> appears that you can have up to 99 loops, it appears that you
must stop
>> playback and store each loop before moving to a new one,
or your work is
>> erased. Thus, working live wouldn't work, as
you'd only ever be working
>> with a single loop, being unable to
stop playback and store. Or rather,
>> live work reduces the
JamMan to a single-loop device, if you see what I
>>
mean.
>>
>> However, I could be mis-reading the
documentation. Please correct me if
>> I'm
>>
wrong.
>>
>> If anybody has any experience working with the
JamMan, I'd appreciate
>> hearing your
opinions.
>>
>> //////////////
>>
>> I
still keep looking at the Boomerang III (which I know isn't out yet)
but
>> the lack of microphone is a deal-breaker for me. I'm
often working with
>> somebody else's setup (with their show) so I
couldn't simply bring along
>> my
>> own mixer, etc. and
plug back in. Is there an easy-ish workaround for
>> adding a
microphone (which would, by necessity, require a means of
>>
switching
>> between mic/inst/both ?) I guess this question
applies to many more
>> products than the Boomerang, as well, since
this would bring many more
>> products into possible
contention.
>>
>> Thank you to everybody for any advice you
can give.
>>
>>
________________________________
>>
>> From: Joshua &
Jennifer Easley [mailto:j.easley@msn.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September
02, 2008 8:42 AM
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>> Subject: Re: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions
Sought
>>
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>>
Have you looked at the Digitech JamMan? it has both instrument and
mic
>> inputs (presumably you can use them both at the same), and can
also be
>> used
>> as an interface for computer recording.
>>
>> The same is true of the GNX4, which may be an even
better solution if you
>> want to incorporate effects and amp models
into your loops (i.e. make your
>> acoustic sound like an electric).
The GNX4 has an integrated "JamMan"
>> looper, different from the
above, but in a way better, because with it you
>> can lay down up to
8 mono loop tracks (or 4 stereo), and then disengage or
>> re-engage
them by pressing the corresponding track buttons. (For example,
>>
if
>> on track 1 you record guitar, vocals on track 2, and some sort
of rhythym
>> on
>> track 3, then, for variation, you can
press buttons 1 & 2 to silence them,
>> leaving only the third
track playing; if you press the same buttons again
>> tracks 1 &
2 will start playing again.)
>>
>> I used the GNX for
several years before upgrading to an Echoplex (probably
>> #1 of the
"big three" that you referred to). The former has the advantage
>>
of
>> being really easy to use, so it's obviously a good way to
start. I like it
>> too (and still use it in my live setup) because
it's literally an all in
>> one
>> device, thus simplifying
the whole potentially complicated routing issue.
>> .
>>
>>
>> --Joshua
>>
>>
>> -----
Original Message -----
>> From: "Rob "Bodhi" Wolff" <Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>>
<mailto:Bodhiwolff@comcast.net>
>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>> <mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:34
AM
>> Subject: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions
Sought
>>
>>
>>> Hi
all!
>>>
>>> I'm a new member to the list, and I'm
looking to expand my musical style
>> by
>>> getting into
looping. However, I find that my lack of knowledge and
>>>
experience with the equipment is hampering my decision-making process,
>>> and
>>> I'm hoping that you all might be able to
guide me a little.
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not breaking any
etiquette by asking for purchasing advice.
>>> If
>>>
so, please simply ignore my newbie mistake.
>>>
>>>
I've tried reading up on the various products, and I tried reading
the
>>> reviews up on this site, but frankly I am still mostly in
the dark.
>>> Heck,
>>> people keep referring to the
"big three", and I'm still not sure which
>> three
>>>
they're referring to!
>>>
>>> While I'd appreciate any
reading lists or advice for suggested reading
>>>
you
>>> wish to give, I really think that I'm just going to need
to trust the
>>> experts at some
point.
>>>
>>> So I thought I'd just come out and ask
you what you thought I should pick
>>> up, specifically, for my
particular requirements.
>>>
>>> My needs: I
play almost exclusively live, acoustic guitar and vocals at
>>
the
>>> same time, and would want to loop either guitar or vocals
or both (or
>> other
>>> instruments through the
mike). As a live player, I'd need something
>>> portable,
small, easy to set up, etc. (a rack-mounted unit is probably
>>>
inappropriate) and my hands will be unavailable while playing, as
a
>>> guitarist. The loops would need to be at least the
length of an entire
>>> verse/chorus combination, so that could
run up to 1 minute or more. As a
>>> live acoustic
instrumentalist, it'd be nice if the sound quality was as
>>
high
>>> as possible, and if there was little-to-no hiss from the
looping unit.
>> It'd
>>> be nice to save a decent loop
after the fact (off the unit onto a
>> recording
>>>
medium of some sort) but this is far secondary to decent live
>>>
performance.
>>> Ease-of-use is a bonus, but I'm expecting a
learning curve. However,
>>> that
>>> being
said, the ability to remove the last layer (if a mistake was
made,
>>> 'cause I make 'em!) would be a big plus! Simple
effects would be nice,
>> too,
>>> as I own no effects
pedals (and feel free to make suggestions there if
>>>
you
>>> feel they would enhance things). I'd want to loop
both guitar and vocal
>>> lines at various times, perhaps even
looping multiple different loops and
>>> playing them in synch, or
in sequence.
>>>
>>> I looked at the new Boomerang III
specs on a friends' advice, and from
>> what
>>> I could
make of it, it seemed that it only loops one input (so I could
>>
only
>>> loop the guitar, or the vocals, but not both). Of
course, I could be
>> wrong,
>>> and/or there may be a
workaround that is commonly used for this drawback
>>
(if
>>> this is a common state of affairs for many looping
pedals).
>>>
>>> I'm extremely interested in moving
forward with this project, but sadly I
>>> just seem to have run
into an informational wall that I can't seem to
>>
break.
>>>
>>> So please, if you have a moment, feel
free to share any advice, thoughts,
>> or
>>> suggestions
that you wish. And frankly, if you simpy want to come out
>>> and
>>> say "I'd suggest buying Such-and-such"
then that is fine by me!
>>>
>>> Thank you kindly for
your consideration.
>>>
>>>
Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Rob "Bodhi"
Wolff
>>>
>>>
>>
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