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Re: OT: McCains Howard Dean Moment.



I think you've just about got the voice over down for a serious  
looping performance. Hit those posts, Rev, and make it swing.

trouble comin' everyday.

throw in a little stutter with ca ca pi pi talism every so often

On Oct 5, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Rev Fever wrote:

>
> I was resisting getting into this fray, but when I read this...
>
>>
>>  Why isn't anyone angry at the morons that took out loans they knew  
>> they couldn't pay back?
>
> ....I finally had to speak out. This is the *same* line of finger- 
> pointing *blame crap* that *all* of the Repugnican Reich wing  
> neonconartist "fair and balanced"
> Faux Noise TV, and  radio "talk" show blowhards and gas bags are now  
> *repeating endlessly*, ad nauseam, and it makes me *sick* to hear it.
>
> Yeah. Like those "morons" who lost their long time / good paying  
> jobs due to their jobs suddenly and without warning, either being  
> *outsourced* to some other country, or due to the "brilliance" of  
> some *way overpaid*, fat cat CEO who decided to downsize...oh excuse  
> me... to "restructure" a company for only the purposes of increasing  
> the profits of other fat cat stockholders, and then later even run  
> the company into the ground, but *still* walk away with  a *huge*  
> severance package and a lifetime of other benefits. (Not to also  
> forget the millions that were already sitting in his / her personal  
> account, along with millions in stocks,etc)
>
> Or, the "morons" who suddenly, and without any kind of warning, came  
> down with some *serious* or even life-threatening illness that put  
> them out of work for a *long* time, and / or wiped them out  
> financially, or that the same tragedy occurred to their spouse, or a  
> member of their family like their *kid* or a *parent*,etc.
>
> Or, the "morons" who were first-time buyers and were maybe a bit  
> "green" about going into a mortgage situation for the first time in  
> their lives,
> (and just who is an "expert" in *everything* for the *first* time  
> ever?) and were the victims of some aggressive, or slick, fast  
> talking predatory lender, a predatory parasite whom they *trusted*  
> to be "honest" and a "straight talker",  and who was *ordered* by  
> upper "management" to sell, sell sell, and to do *whatever it takes*
> to secure the deal... no matter what, including *lying* or some  
> other deception.
>
> Or, the "morons" who were the targets and victims of the *sub-prime  
> scandal*? (Remember that?  Remember Countrywide?)
>
> And, there are other reasons why many "morons" simply got into  
> trouble with something that could happen to just about anyone,
> but who originally *never plotted or planned* to do so.
>
> These same "blame the little guys and morons" loudmouths are very  
> likely long time Rethuglicans who "conveniently" seem to "forget"  
> that it was over 12 twelve years of *Rethuglican control* over  
> (haha) "our" gov't that brought about all of the *deregulation* of  
> the banking and other financial "services" industries that opened to  
> these doors to being with, for what has led up to today.  Let's just  
> call the blame game it what it *is*. "Weapons of Mass  
> Distraction" (and / or "Deception")_
>
> And of course, in true Rethuglican neoconartist fashion, when the  
> sh*it finally hits the fan, then they turn around and try to *blame*  
> someone *else* for it. Same old crap from these vicious and greedy,  
> self-centered rats, every damn time. Typical bullies who will gladly  
> kick the little guy when he is down and attack any other more  
> vulnerable and / or less defensible folks.  Check history for more  
> details.
>
> I also agree mostly with what this guy Jeff below is saying, except  
> for one thing, and that is that for the greater part, no one was  
> ever *forced* to accept *any* credit card offer, especially any  
> additional ones, other than the first one they may have *had* to  
> have gotten, for the simple fact that it is next-to-impossible to  
> get by in our capitalist-dominated and "free" market country and  
> globalization world without one anymore. But also, when some folks  
> are *constantly* barraged with tempting card offers all of the time,  
> and especially if they have been stuck in the lower spectrum of wage  
> earners for all of their lives for *whatever* reasons, and reasons  
> that may have been insurmountable or out of their immediate control  
> up to this point, or also when they are *impressionable* and  
> *inexperienced teenagers*, or certain other types of "easy  
> targets",  then it is sometimes hard to resist to finally succumbing  
> to such offers, and many of those offers that usually also have some  
> *very fine print* that should be noticed *closely*.
>
> Kick the Rethugs *out* of office (and send a bunch to *prison* too)  
> and the watch how *fast* the nation (and the world) starts to turn  
> around for the *better*,
> and then continues to improve, and also *never* allow the Rethugs to  
> gain full power *ever* again. Again, just check US political history  
> for the last 100 years or so, see what kind of "pattern" that ya may  
> notice? When the 'thugs are in power, the economy eventually heads  
> down the toilet, and ever larger deficits are left behind,
> and the country is left in a *huge mess* for the Dems to have to  
> clean up, but not before a lot of Rethugs, and those masters who  
> they serve, have *gotten away with* a *lot* of the *tax payers'*  
> money.
>
> And when the 'thugs are in power, it is when *more wars* get  
> started. Some of history is there to be *learned* from , and *not*  
> repeated. Think about it...
>
> -Rev. Fever
> Portland,OR
>
>> That's a tough one. For one thing, a lot of people probably thought  
>> they could pay back the loans--or at least hoped they could. When  
>> they discovered (later) that their interest rate skyrocketed, then  
>> they could no longer afford to pay. Second, I don't necessarily  
>> blame the consumers--at least not all the time. It's pretty tough  
>> to turn down the opportunity to buy a home (or take some other  
>> large loan) if someone is going to offer you the money. I blame the  
>> lenders, in other words. Another example: I have so many credit  
>> cards (and I get solicitations every week for more) with a total  
>> credit line of an obscene amount of money. Why in the world not  
>> just one bank--but several--would extend me credit lines of 20K or  
>> more, I have no idea. But they do. I could get in serious financial  
>> trouble very easily. Would I be to blame, or do the banks bear some  
>> responsibility as well?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>