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Rick, my wah suggestion will most probably not be any help...for most of the time, I've been using a Nord MicroModular for those typical "wah" purposes, along with the FilterFactory (when I still had it) - both of them also a lot with filter modulated by an LFO or step sequencer. Of course, with the Nord you can build any odd wah mutant or bastard - like distort wah which only distorts a specific frequency band (and the frequency band is sweepable). Then again, I would assume a Line6 FM4 might work very well for the purpose of having a non-typical wah with a huge range - why don't you go to the next house and try the M13 I suspect is still there? Regarding the envelope follower thing: I think disliking "rapdi shiftings of timbre" does not necessarily lead to a disdain for envelope followers, but that depends on how you use the word - I've always used it as a term for "a parameter is controlled by the envelope of some audio signal", but I understand (did the google test) that it's often used for "the resonant/cutoff frequency of a filter is controlled by the envelope...". Using the envelope to modulate parameters other than filter cutoff can be great fun - I almost assume you at some time had a Vortex (which has a lot of tricky envelope implementations, including a ducking delay). A few days ago I described how to use the input envelope to control the output volume, to give you a more dynamic sound when playing through huge distortion which takes all dynamic information away. If you apply it to a subtle detuner you get the effect like with brass and woodwind instruments where very loud playing can affect the pitch. Or use a slow envelope follower to morph between two radically different effects altogether... Rainer http://moinlabs.de http://www.myspace.com/moinlabs http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill/