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Jello:-) What is mainstage: a host applicztion for bothj Live and Mobius? Sorry for the numb skull question! Antony Hequet Poet composer On 2012-01-26, at 16:31, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Louie, > > The sync update of Live happened long ago. It doesn't help for the > audio artifacts that appears in slave sync mode. Maybe I should have > called it "a fidelity issue" instead? ;-) > > To repeat: when running Live synced to MIDI clock a lot of changes you > do by external MIDI control creates cracks and pops in the audio. I > didn't want that so I moved on to set up the same rig in Biule. It > worked fine (better actually) until the very last stage where Bidule > just crashed (maybe a memory issue?). Finally I built the same rig in > Mainstage 2.2 yesterday and it is turned out to be the best > application for my needs (which is extensive Mobius live looping, > setting the temp by first loop catching in Mobius, host application > following Mobius' tempo by internal (IAC Bus) MIDI Clock. Host loaded > with lots of tempo dependent effects, a synth channel, two mono audio > inputs, a stereo audio inputs and two effect aux tracks with > "playable" effects.) > > That's my general bare bones report that I hope will help some folks > to spend less time in the tech pit and more time making music. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.perboysen.com > http://www.youtube.com/perboysen > > > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Louie Angulo > <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: >> hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync >> problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better? >> >> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and >>> Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and >>> stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks. >>> >>> Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same >>> loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order >>> of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live). >>> >>> I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as >>> the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out >>> exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a >>> wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS >>> provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when >>> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about >>> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of >>> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a >>> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS >>> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the >>> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips >>> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through >>> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other >>> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big >>> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in >>> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS >>> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell >>> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data >>> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a >>> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal >>> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting >>> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a >>> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but >>> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm). >>> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell >>> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-) >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.perboysen.com >>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote: >>>> Hi Per >>>> >>>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-) >>>> >>>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live >>>> looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible >>>> enough. >>>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in >>>> Mobius. Oh well... >>>> >>>> best regards >>>> Buzap >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir >>>> belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >