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Octotrack versus Live

After performing with Live a few times I am considering not having a 
computer on stage anymore. Walking over to the beast to load the next 
song, being drawn into the screen, just takes away from "being here now" 
with the public.
Plus I had a couple of nothing is happening let's reboot experiences.
How does the octotrack perform switching from one piece to the next. Do 
you have to manipulate or can you just send a pg change? Can you have more 
than 8 prerecorded parts ready to go at the reception of a midi message? 
Does it feel more solid? How does it perform as a looper?
How do you Live guys switch pieces without turning techie?

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 13 févr. 2012, at 11:35, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Better way is to plan your setup around latency. Actions that depend
> on correct timing can still be addressed with a direct control.
> Actions that are quantized in a looper shouldn't be assigned to
> Kapture either because the looper needs to know the given command a
> bit in advance. It's just like tuning a tempered instrument; balance
> the quirks to make a good enough performance possible ;-)
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Philip Conway
> <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk> wrote:
>> That thing is indeed rather amazing.  The only issue is that latency 
>> builds
>> up with large amounts of parameters being changed but maybe that's 
>> better on
>> a faster machine (my trusty but creaky  six year old macbook is nearing
>> retirement age!).  It also makes me realise that I really need to learn
>> Max/MSP.
>> Philip.
>> --On 12 February 2012 23:35 +0100 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> I just looked a little deeper into the Max for Live device Kapture.
>>> This device offers instant recall. It lets you record and store
>>> snapshots of the whole mixer plus devices settings. And this includes
>>> looping plugins too! Can you see the tremendous performance power in
>>> this for live looping musicians? You can totally design your own
>>> looping interface like you want it. Simply decide on what control
>>> commands you want, set up mixer and plugins for that and snag a
>>> snapshot of it. For some snapshots you may deselect a lot of mixer
>>> parameters and only have the snapshot recall the looper's settings, or
>>> maybe just one of many loopers you are using.
>>> Snapshots can be activated in two ways. First, you mouse the drop-down
>>> menu of the Kapture plugin's GUI. Second, you launch an empty clip in
>>> Live that has the same name as the Kapture snapshot it's meant to
>>> activate. This gives that you can handle a very complex performance
>>> setup with only three MIDI pedals: Scene Up, Scene Down and Scene
>>> Launch. Compare that to the classic way of assigning one pedal switch
>>> for each function. Over here I will keep my 80 pedals (8 Gordius banks
>>> of 10 each) and just assign three of them for Kapture. Then I'll see
>>> whee this takes me.
>>> I just checked with Augustus Loop and every damn parameter in the
>>> looper is captured by Kapture. Finally this is opening up a way to use
>>> this wonderful looper plugin IRL. My issue with Augustus have always
>>> been that I can't press all buttons for all things I want to make
>>> happen at once. The EDP functionality design is easier to use but
>>> lacks some cool stuff you can do with Augustus. With Augustus it
>>> typically makes sense to keep a direct MIDI binding to the Freeze
>>> Button, besides this Kapture Snapshot system.
>>> Finally, you may rework your setup very quickly in a modular way. Just
>>> move around the live clips for different Kapture snapshots. You may
>>> put several rows of them in Live's Session View (the data
>>> spreadsheat-like interface) so that one Scene (all clips at the same
>>> horizontal level) will only launch these Snapshot Clips. Very  useful,
>>> especially if you work on many projects and has an issue remembering
>>> the different setups. Here you can simply read it on the screen, or
>>> easily memorize it visually before a concert.
>>> FYI I can tell that this total recall approach for many years has been
>>> the base for the French software looper Logeloop as well as for
>>> Numerology. In those two apps "saving a preset" takes a snapshot of
>>> everything, just like this Kapture thing. One thing I will start
>>> fiddling around with now, using Augustus Loop and Kapture, is to work
>>> with long bows of slow speed shifts, as this looper offers
>>> non-quantized continuous speed/pitch shift. I did some of that on the
>>> album with Erdem but until this Kapture I've seen a live concert tool
>>> that would allow experimenting with it on stage (except for Logeloop,
>>> but I can't run many of my tone shaping plugins in that Max built
>>> looper so Live currently works better for me).
>>> Ok, signing off now. Just wanted to mention this if someone out there
>>> also has been looking for these kind of tools. Oh, I should mention
>>> that instant recall of everything is not all snappy. At least not
>>> according to a discussion on the Max For Live forum. Some users there
>>> report that not all settings change at the same time. But I'm not sure
>>> that should seen as a showstopper, after all Plastikman uses Kapture
>>> every night to coordinate both Ableton Live mix mashup improvisation
>>> and synced video.
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen