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Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller

Ricky, it's probably user error ;)

That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing 
wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D

Phil :)

On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:

> Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I use 
> cycle :)
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Christopher,
>> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to 
>> get the commands from there to the plugin.
>> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in the 
>> clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip - 
>> it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI To" 
>> section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to Echoloop 
>> (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way already, 
>> make it so.
>> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open 
>> Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that 
>> Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first 
>> track sends the notes.
>> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands 
>> from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed 
>> to set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that this 
>> needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs setup 
>> and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio interface, then 
>> stuff started happening :)
>> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that Note 
>> On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job.
>> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with 
>> the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin 
>> is set for 'HOST" sync but  loops still seem to be all over the place. 
>> WIll get it figured out eventually :)
>> Hope that helps Christopher.
>> Phil :)
>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote:
>>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, 
>>> what'd you do that has it working perfectly now?
>>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make 
>>> more time for music next week and would like to check it out.
>>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy)
>>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>> Ricky, Per -
>>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG 
>>>> are heard and everything behaves wonderfully.
>>>> Very best,
>>>> Phil :)
>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:
>>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice.
>>>>> Glad the set works.
>>>>> R
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky.
>>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. 
>>>>>> And I
>>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do 
>>>>>> the real
>>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG.
>>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the 
>>>>>> abstract
>>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and 
>>>>>> panel-bound.
>>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I 
>>>>>> have not
>>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a 
>>>>>> *routing*
>>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment 
>>>>>> texts, the
>>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in 
>>>>>> the manual
>>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work 
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were 
>>>>>> in any
>>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. 
>>>>>> Was not
>>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my 
>>>>>> wife keeps
>>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just 
>>>>>> 'pick up
>>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol )
>>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility 
>>>>>> issue, rather
>>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and 
>>>>>> still not
>>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution 
>>>>>> !
>>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote 
>>>>>> prefs in
>>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little 
>>>>>> sense. Your
>>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D  Maybe 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> should write their manuals :)
>>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will 
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did 
>>>>>> we ever
>>>>>> do before the interweb?
>>>>>> Phil :D
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham 
>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sent
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham
>>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will 
>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you.
>>>>>>>> r
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>>>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this:
>>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> feed it
>>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. "
>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you 
>>>>>>>>>> clarify?
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well 
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the
>>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over 
>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>> explained in that box)
>>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin 
>>>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port.
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that 
>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's 
>>>>>>>>> mixer
>>>>>>>>> into the Plugin.
>>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's 
>>>>>>>>> MIDI
>>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI 
>>>>>>>>> Sync" tab.
>>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but 
>>>>>>>>> through a
>>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" 
>>>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot 
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter 
>>>>>>>>> to pass
>>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" 
>>>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI
>>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it 
>>>>>>>>> tricky
>>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get 
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the 
>>>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot 
>>>>>>>>> addressing)
>>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's 
>>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs.
>>>>>>>>> Happy looping!
>>>>>>>>> Per