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Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller

And synch is now working well. There seems to be a small hiccup between 
when I say "jump" and Echoloop says "how high," and that was creating 
perception of lack of synch. Adjusting the track delay in Ableton to some 
15-30 ms seems to make it all work out.

Phil :)

On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote:

> Ricky, it's probably user error ;)
> That is in fact what my settings are, but who knows what I am doing 
> wrong... one thing at a time, I'm just happy the plug-in is running :D
> Phil :)
> On Mar 3, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:
>> Sync works fine. Select "In Host" and quantize where appropriate. I use 
>> cycle :)
>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Phil Clevenger
>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Christopher,
>>> It was both, plus another hour or two of fiddling about with the LG to 
>>> get the commands from there to the plugin.
>>> Ricky's template is a self-running demo. Click the 'Play" button in 
>>> the clip in the first track. Then look at the piano roll for that clip 
>>> - it's an ascending scale, one note per beat. In that track's "MIDI 
>>> To" section, it shoudl be routing to "2-Audio" and from there to 
>>> Echoloop (which is placed in the 2-Audio track). If it is not that way 
>>> already, make it so.
>>> So with the clip in Track 1 playing, scoot over to track 2 and open 
>>> Echoloop's interface. WIth or without audio, you should see that 
>>> Echoloop is going nuts, doing one thing after another, as the first 
>>> track sends the notes.
>>> Per's advice helped when I got home and wanted to send MIDI commands 
>>> from my LG rather than that MIDI clip. I reflexively assumed I needed 
>>> to set up the LG as the "MIDI From" source, but Per specified that 
>>> this needs to be the audio interface... so when I changed that prefs 
>>> setup and the track settings to be listening to my MOTU audio 
>>> interface, then stuff started happening :)
>>> Finally, I needed to mess around with the commands, and found that 
>>> Note On and Note Off for each command seemed to mostly do the job.
>>> I am still wrestling with getting loops in Echoloop to synch well with 
>>> the Ableton host DAW, for some reason that is still evading me. Plugin 
>>> is set for 'HOST" sync but  loops still seem to be all over the place. 
>>> WIll get it figured out eventually :)
>>> Hope that helps Christopher.
>>> Phil :)
>>> On Mar 2, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Darrow wrote:
>>>> Was it Ricky's template or Per's explanation or both? In other words, 
>>>> what'd you do that has it working perfectly now?
>>>> Ricky, might I also get a copy of that template? I'm hoping to make 
>>>> more time for music next week and would like to check it out.
>>>> Thank you all! (Ricky, Per, Phil, Andy)
>>>> On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:15 AM, Phil Clevenger wrote:
>>>>> Ricky, Per -
>>>>> All is well - Echoloop is working as it should, all commands from LG 
>>>>> are heard and everything behaves wonderfully.
>>>>> Very best,
>>>>> Phil :)
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:
>>>>>> Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice.
>>>>>> Glad the set works.
>>>>>> R
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky.
>>>>>>> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the 
>>>>>>> solution. And I
>>>>>>> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and 
>>>>>>> do the real
>>>>>>> work with incoming MIDI from the LG.
>>>>>>> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the 
>>>>>>> abstract
>>>>>>> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and 
>>>>>>> panel-bound.
>>>>>>> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I 
>>>>>>> have not
>>>>>>> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a 
>>>>>>> *routing*
>>>>>>> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment 
>>>>>>> texts, the
>>>>>>> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in 
>>>>>>> the manual
>>>>>>> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my 
>>>>>>> work in the
>>>>>>> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were 
>>>>>>> in any
>>>>>>> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. 
>>>>>>> Was not
>>>>>>> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my 
>>>>>>> wife keeps
>>>>>>> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t 
>>>>>>> just 'pick up
>>>>>>> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol )
>>>>>>> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility 
>>>>>>> issue, rather
>>>>>>> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and 
>>>>>>> still not
>>>>>>> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong 
>>>>>>> solution !
>>>>>>> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those 
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote 
>>>>>>> prefs in
>>>>>>> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little 
>>>>>>> sense. Your
>>>>>>> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D  
>>>>>>> Maybe you
>>>>>>> should write their manuals :)
>>>>>>> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will 
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did 
>>>>>>> we ever
>>>>>>> do before the interweb?
>>>>>>> Phil :D
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham 
>>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sent
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham
>>>>>>>> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will 
>>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>>> on the ableton set to both of you.
>>>>>>>>> r
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen 
>>>>>>>>> <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger
>>>>>>>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And Per, regarding this:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> feed it
>>>>>>>>>>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. "
>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you 
>>>>>>>>>>> clarify?
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite 
>>>>>>>>>> well in
>>>>>>>>>> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the
>>>>>>>>>> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over 
>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>> explained in that box)
>>>>>>>>>> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin 
>>>>>>>>>> hosted
>>>>>>>>>> in Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that 
>>>>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and 
>>>>>>>>>> Live's mixer
>>>>>>>>>> into the Plugin.
>>>>>>>>>> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's 
>>>>>>>>>> MIDI
>>>>>>>>>> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI 
>>>>>>>>>> Sync" tab.
>>>>>>>>>> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but 
>>>>>>>>>> through a
>>>>>>>>>> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" 
>>>>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>>>>> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences 
>>>>>>>>>> window and
>>>>>>>>>> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot 
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter 
>>>>>>>>>> to pass
>>>>>>>>>> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" 
>>>>>>>>>> (there
>>>>>>>>>> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the 
>>>>>>>>>> MIDI
>>>>>>>>>> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it 
>>>>>>>>>> tricky
>>>>>>>>>> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get 
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing 
>>>>>>>>>> for that
>>>>>>>>>> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the 
>>>>>>>>>> physical
>>>>>>>>>> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot 
>>>>>>>>>> addressing)
>>>>>>>>>> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's 
>>>>>>>>>> output
>>>>>>>>>> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs.
>>>>>>>>>> Happy looping!
>>>>>>>>>> Per