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Re: [Fwd: Re: Can I have your feedback?]

I love drum machines.  I find swing and some of the 'feel' features on new ones sort of blurs the line between human and machine.  Quantize seems to be more 'natural' with these feel and ahead of and behind the beat features.

And yes!  In the old days we would add live cymbals and hats sometimes partly for the feel and partly because the cymbals were the dead give away of the 'evil drum machines'.

I love drum machines so much I resurrected my SP12 and HR16 just to have the pads.  Got tired of using keyboards to input drums.  Might replace the old drum machines with Machine some day, but other, more urgent toys are ahead in line.

Also, I really love the Slate Drum samples and their new software.  

Do you have V Drums there, Rick?

On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:32 AM, Rick Walker wrote:

On 6/8/12 6:32 PM, bill bigrig wrote:
I have to chime in here. in the 80s, I worked with drummers who said, "drum machines will never take the place of real drums". What they didn't know was, many hits back then wee made with a Linn machine and they didn't even notice!
Here, here, Bill!

I talked about this in an earlier reply to a post in this thread from Rainer......
mentioning the fact that adding hi hats and cymbals played by a real drummer onto
perfectly quantized kicks and snares causes the listener to have a 'reasonable suspension of

I really like confusing people in this way.
I like to use drum machines with the quantize turned off
and I live to play drums occasionally to emulate a perfectly quantized
drum machine.

I noticed, early on that people used synths, samplers and drum machines to emulate
real instruments.  I think it's really hip to try to make synths and samplers sound
really synthetic and non-human at time and conversely to make acoustic drums
sound really synthetic and 'processed'.

I did a track on Barry Clevelands latest CD,  "Hologramaton"  with gigantic chain links
draped over my snares, toms and cymbals to simulate crude distortion.

There are also several cymbal manufacturers who make cymbals that sound as if they
had processing on them.  I have one called a 'Flange Cymbal' because it has a flangey sound to it.
I have another that sounds like those weird analogue ride cymbals from the TR808 drum machines.
I also have two flat (no shell) kick drums that sound like the subsonic TR808 kick drum sound, acoustically.

It's cool to mix it up, sonically!