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Re: Realistic drum programming/recording for songs

+1 to Pers comment.
If you REALLY want to make it sound real, go record a drummer jamming for an hour, and chop it up... I did that 20 years ago, and Im still using them drum loops!!


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Steven Clements <sdclements@gmail.com> wrote:
I recommend Toontracks Superior Drummer.

There's lots you can do for realistic sounding drums and you can even use their midi drum beats as a start.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
You're right that it is "endlessly time consuming" to fake a live
drummer. Learning to do the programming right is only step one, then
you need to set the sound right and mix it dynamically. Oh man, what
time consuming activities! I'm wondering why so many people put so
much time into faking something when there are loads of other just as
cool drumming approaches? Just imagine a crappy 505 or 606 with edgy
sound attitude! About a thousand times as easy to make good than
faking a live drummer.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi folks
> I'd like to lay down somewhat realistic acoustic drums for song writing purposes (pop ballads, funk, latin, world) in home recording environment.
> Currently, I program drums in Logic Pro. I also have an acoustic drum set at work where I can play basic drum grooves that reasonably ok.
> However, I don't have a good sounding kit and have no experience whatsoever with drum micing.
> My current approach is basically similar to this:
> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/drum-prog.htm
> First, I lay down basic patterns in Logic Ultrabeat. Then, I tweak the timing in piano roll. Last - and this is the most time consuming part - I tweak velocities, create ghost notes, rolls in HyperEdit mode.
> How should I proceed next?
> My current thoughts:
> A.
> Get a real hi-hat machine + snare, set them up with mics. (e-drum cymbals never sound realistic enough for me, don't like snares on e-drums either for funky stuff).
> For the rest, use e-drum kick pedals, pads etc.
> B.
> Go the software road (i.e. Superior Drummer) and dive deeper into drum programming.
> With drum programming, I can get fairly realistic results. I'm very flexible, can start with basic patterns and can refine/change things over time. However, the process is time consuming & seemingly endless...
> With real drum set, there is the beauty of playing immediately the right groove with a gut feeling. However, the home recording environment (space, neighbours) and the mic set-up can be tricky.
> I know the best solution is to get a real drummer in a studio environment. But laying down stuff quickly (still realistically as possible) is more important than having the perfect drum track.
> Would like to hear your experience & advice on this subject.
> best regards
> Buzap

Mark Francombe
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