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Re: interesting controller/Ableton Push

It has a user mode which allows you to tweak to your heart's content. 

Or call me at 917.576.6166 (or text)

On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I can't go, but it would be great to see a MIDI
> implementation chart for Push. I've learned from the Abe forum that
> Push is not programable so it would be awesome just to know exactly
> what CC#s are sent out from the different knobs and ribbon. Knowing
> that one could estimate how useful Push would be for generic
> electronics control.
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Amy Lee <amy@jumpingrobot.com> wrote:
>> <plug> :)
>> I know members of this list span the globe, but for those who are in 
>> the San
>> Francisco area I am trying to book a special presentation of Push for 
>> the
>> April gathering of the San Francisco Electronic Music Meetup
>> (http://meetup.com/sf-emm). I'll know more in a couple of days 
>> (hopefully).
>> If there are certain things people want a demo of, I can put that 
>> request to
>> the presenter. :)
>> Amy
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> @mark,
>>> If you connect a USB cable to a laptop running Live 9.x it does indeed
>>> "work like that". It actually lets you control the Live application
>>> from the pad, very much like an extension of the well known Roland TR
>>> step sequencing concept.
>>> But I'm more interested in simply playing MIDI notes from it, just
>>> like any MIDI piano keyboard - but with a smarter chromatic keyboard
>>> layout. In order to do that you only need to open a virtual instrument
>>> in whatever laptop application picking up at the other end of the USB
>>> cable. Practically no tweaking at all.
>>> If you want to use it to control a custom looping rig you may very
>>> well there will of course be a lot of mapping and tweaking. Maybe you
>>> were actually talking only about this third alternative?
>>> But for using it as an instrument that plays
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Jesus Christ.. Does it work like that out of the box? I think not... !
>>>> Can you imagine the hellish days and days of fiddly little assigning 
>>>> and
>>>> mapping and tweaking... Looks so much like a job... not fun at all!
>>>> I bet they sell a lot based on the lights tho... vewwy vewwy pweeedy!
>>>> I might get one just to go on the wall!
>>>> Mark
>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Philip Conway
>>>> <Philip.Conway@bristol.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I pre-ordered Push yesterday.  It's a sizable lump of money for a
>>>>> controller - especially one that I haven't been able to try out first
>>>>> hand -
>>>>> but I couldn't resist the introductory offer.  It'll be here in just
>>>>> 12-14
>>>>> weeks!...
>>>>> I'm quite excited about its potential as an instrument.  One 
>>>>> appealing
>>>>> thing is that, if the early reviews are to be believed, it is very 
>>>>> well
>>>>> made
>>>>> and feels heavy and solid.  This is no small thing for a musical
>>>>> instrument.
>>>>> It's much easier to 'lose yourself' and get into 'the zone', as they
>>>>> say, if
>>>>> you're playing something that just feels solid and high quality, 
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than
>>>>> flimsy and plasticy.  And, for me, whether or not you can 'lose
>>>>> yourself' in
>>>>> an instrument is ultimately the marker of whether it's any good or 
>>>>> not.
>>>>> In many ways Push makes much more sense than a traditional keyboard 
>>>>> for
>>>>> performing and composing electronic music since it allows any scalar
>>>>> mapping
>>>>> of notes and makes that mapping intuitive by providing visual 
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>> In
>>>>> this way it seems to let the player find relationships between notes
>>>>> and
>>>>> sounds that don't rigidly adhere to the c-major scale structure of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> piano-style keyboard.
>>>>> This is how it should be for electronic music, which is not being
>>>>> limited
>>>>> to the physical mechanisms of objects like the piano.  The piano
>>>>> keyboard
>>>>> was an elegant invention but it resulted to some degree from the
>>>>> physical
>>>>> requirements of whacking strings with little hammers.  Electronic 
>>>>> music
>>>>> is
>>>>> completely free from such physical connections but, with some 
>>>>> expensive
>>>>> exceptions (e.g. the Haken Continuum), instrument or interface design
>>>>> has
>>>>> lagged a long way behind what programmers and sound designers have
>>>>> achieved.
>>>>> Push looks like a step in the right direction in that respect.  It's
>>>>> not
>>>>> revolutionary in concept but it appears to have been very well done -
>>>>> at
>>>>> least I hope so!
>>>>> Philip.
>>>>> --On 07 March 2013 12:15 +0100 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:36 AM, michael noble <looplog@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.weareroli.com/
>>>>>>> Anyone know anything more about this company or the controller?
>>>>>> Looks cool, like a "piano submarine" :-)  A little thin on 
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> that page, isn't it? From the video it seems as notes are located in
>>>>>> linear way, similar to a piano?
>>>>>> I must say I'm more intrigued by Ableton's new instrument Push, due 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> its non linear location of notes. The chromatic scale layout on Push
>>>>>> is based on rows differing by a fourths and this creates what to me
>>>>>> seems to very playable note locations. In fact, the hand patterns 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> the same as if tapping a fourths tuned fretted string instrument.
>>>>>> Another aspect I like with the Push is that some notes appear at
>>>>>> several positions and can be played in unison but with different
>>>>>> attack/expression, this too in common with fretted string 
>>>>>> instruments.
>>>>>> I've been using an Akai EWI4000s for some years and think it is the
>>>>>> most (musically) expressive MIDI controller instruments I've come
>>>>>> across. Since it is based on breath control rather than
>>>>>> hitting-something-with-a-hand velocity it a challenge to program 
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> synth patches to play. I think Yamaha was great in the 80s with 
>>>>>> breath
>>>>>> control but since then not much product development seems to have
>>>>>> happend im this area. THat's odd, thinking about how a simple hose 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> blow into increases the expressiveness of any simple keyboard.
>>>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>>> Per Boysen
>>>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>> --
>>>> Mark Francombe
>>>> www.markfrancombe.com
>>>> www.ordoabkhao.com
>>>> http://vimeo.com/user825094
>>>> http://www.looop.no
>>>> twitter @markfrancombe
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/24478662@N00/